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		<title>By: stanozdotcom</title>
		<link>http://www.damninteresting.com/a-walk-in-the-valley-of-the-uncanny/#comment-26370</link>
		<dc:creator>stanozdotcom</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 04 Jan 2011 17:42:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I just developed a new &#039;3D productivity pipeline&#039; for commercial and amateur/personal work: FaceGen, MakeHuman, and Blender3D. However, having read this piece and doing a little research on Uncanny Valley on Wikipedia... I just decided it isn&#039;t best for me to make 3D models that are too photorealistic.  I have learnt a lot in the last 45 minutes! I think I&#039;ll stick with 3D models and animations that aren&#039;t going to make viewers (and me!!) uncomfortable. I&#039;ll leave photorealism to nature. :0)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I just developed a new &#8217;3D productivity pipeline&#8217; for commercial and amateur/personal work: FaceGen, MakeHuman, and Blender3D. However, having read this piece and doing a little research on Uncanny Valley on Wikipedia&#8230; I just decided it isn&#8217;t best for me to make 3D models that are too photorealistic.  I have learnt a lot in the last 45 minutes! I think I&#8217;ll stick with 3D models and animations that aren&#8217;t going to make viewers (and me!!) uncomfortable. I&#8217;ll leave photorealism to nature. :0)</p>
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		<title>By: Mirage_GSM</title>
		<link>http://www.damninteresting.com/a-walk-in-the-valley-of-the-uncanny/#comment-23189</link>
		<dc:creator>Mirage_GSM</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 24 Oct 2008 13:14:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[quote]jesse2b: Not to worry. The First Law of Robotics states (I believe) &quot;No robot can harm any person&quot; (Dr. Isaac Asimov). Then, the good doctor&#039;s many robots were never human-like. That would be creepy.[/quote]
Uhm…
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/R._Daneel_Olivaw
[quote]Nicki: Because a robot that is disconcertingly human-like has frightful implications. If one day in the future a robot is so hume-like that we can&#039;t tell the difference, we would always go about in fear of being tricked. You wouldn&#039;t know if your conversation is being recorded or if you are talking to a walking bomb.[/quote]
Yeah, right… We don’t even need robots for either…

[quote]Smiles: Also, and i am aware that this argument has been made too many times before, a computer will never truley be able to do everything a human does, becases humans learn and, by defination, a computer can not.[/quote]
Computers can’t learn? Now that’s new. There’s plenty of computers/software that are better at learning than most humans.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[quote]jesse2b: Not to worry. The First Law of Robotics states (I believe) &#8220;No robot can harm any person&#8221; (Dr. Isaac Asimov). Then, the good doctor&#8217;s many robots were never human-like. That would be creepy.[/quote]<br />
Uhm…<br />
<a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/R._Daneel_Olivaw" rel="nofollow">http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/R._Daneel_Olivaw</a><br />
[quote]Nicki: Because a robot that is disconcertingly human-like has frightful implications. If one day in the future a robot is so hume-like that we can&#8217;t tell the difference, we would always go about in fear of being tricked. You wouldn&#8217;t know if your conversation is being recorded or if you are talking to a walking bomb.[/quote]<br />
Yeah, right… We don’t even need robots for either…</p>
<p>[quote]Smiles: Also, and i am aware that this argument has been made too many times before, a computer will never truley be able to do everything a human does, becases humans learn and, by defination, a computer can not.[/quote]<br />
Computers can’t learn? Now that’s new. There’s plenty of computers/software that are better at learning than most humans.</p>
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		<title>By: BenKinsey</title>
		<link>http://www.damninteresting.com/a-walk-in-the-valley-of-the-uncanny/#comment-22801</link>
		<dc:creator>BenKinsey</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 19 Sep 2008 19:55:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[quote]Furnace said: &quot;I’ve only been skimming the comments at this point, so some of this may have been stated already.

The Uncanny Valley will disappear in a single generation after human-like robots become prevalent in society. The children that grow up with them will not find anything uncanny or creepy because they will be well adjusted to the differences between real humans and robots. However, they will be masters at identifying what’s real and what’s not for this reason.

Robots that simulate humans will not be used in everyday life like people seem to be expecting. The “robot maid” will never happen because as someone had pointed out earlier, there are a lot of human details that are completely unnecessary/ill-suited for a robot. Robots that defuse bombs don’t look human, nor should they. The human simulations will thrive in movies, “customer service” where face-to-face interaction is needed/desired (like bartenders), the sex toy industry, and a few others. Basically, watch Star Wars and you’ll see where we’re headed for the most-part. Robots will be built to suit their function and that’s it. Anything beyond that would be poor design.

There will be ethical debates that will undoubtedly slow the progress of robots entering society, but eventually end with a new branch of laws that govern how robots should be created and who is punished if something goes wrong. If a robot bartender serves a drink to a child, should the designer be punished for not adding that restriction to the design, or would the bar owner be punished for allowing it to happen? (If you park a car on a steep hill and leave the parking brake off, and it rolls into a person, the car owner is responsible, not the car maker.) Is a sex robot built to look like a ten year old girl going to be illegal? Why should it be?… no child is being harmed. THIS is what we have to look forward to.&quot;[/quote]

I like you thought process and I agree with you.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[quote]Furnace said: &#8220;I’ve only been skimming the comments at this point, so some of this may have been stated already.</p>
<p>The Uncanny Valley will disappear in a single generation after human-like robots become prevalent in society. The children that grow up with them will not find anything uncanny or creepy because they will be well adjusted to the differences between real humans and robots. However, they will be masters at identifying what’s real and what’s not for this reason.</p>
<p>Robots that simulate humans will not be used in everyday life like people seem to be expecting. The “robot maid” will never happen because as someone had pointed out earlier, there are a lot of human details that are completely unnecessary/ill-suited for a robot. Robots that defuse bombs don’t look human, nor should they. The human simulations will thrive in movies, “customer service” where face-to-face interaction is needed/desired (like bartenders), the sex toy industry, and a few others. Basically, watch Star Wars and you’ll see where we’re headed for the most-part. Robots will be built to suit their function and that’s it. Anything beyond that would be poor design.</p>
<p>There will be ethical debates that will undoubtedly slow the progress of robots entering society, but eventually end with a new branch of laws that govern how robots should be created and who is punished if something goes wrong. If a robot bartender serves a drink to a child, should the designer be punished for not adding that restriction to the design, or would the bar owner be punished for allowing it to happen? (If you park a car on a steep hill and leave the parking brake off, and it rolls into a person, the car owner is responsible, not the car maker.) Is a sex robot built to look like a ten year old girl going to be illegal? Why should it be?… no child is being harmed. THIS is what we have to look forward to.&#8221;[/quote]</p>
<p>I like you thought process and I agree with you.</p>
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		<title>By: smiles are free</title>
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		<dc:creator>smiles are free</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 06 Jul 2008 17:20:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>To be honest I can&#039;t ever see a point where we are able to create a  computer that  reacts like a human. Because computers will do EXACTLY what you tell them to exery single time. If you ask it thesame question 5 times it will give you an identical answer 5 times over. Because no matter how many words and gramatical structures you program in, the computer will allways choose the simplest and most informtive answer, every time. Also, humans are different from each other, one human may find something funny that another won&#039;t, so when programming in humor there will be lots of blank areas. 

As for emotion, we do not really comprehend exactly how we convay our own emotions so there is almost no change that we will be able to program a robot to change it body language, heartbeat, smell, facial expression, speach and countless other things that doutlessly will change with emotion.  

Also, and i am aware that this argument has been made too many times before, a computer will never truley be able to do everything a human does, becases humans learn and, by defination, a computer can not. 

xxx</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>To be honest I can&#8217;t ever see a point where we are able to create a  computer that  reacts like a human. Because computers will do EXACTLY what you tell them to exery single time. If you ask it thesame question 5 times it will give you an identical answer 5 times over. Because no matter how many words and gramatical structures you program in, the computer will allways choose the simplest and most informtive answer, every time. Also, humans are different from each other, one human may find something funny that another won&#8217;t, so when programming in humor there will be lots of blank areas. </p>
<p>As for emotion, we do not really comprehend exactly how we convay our own emotions so there is almost no change that we will be able to program a robot to change it body language, heartbeat, smell, facial expression, speach and countless other things that doutlessly will change with emotion.  </p>
<p>Also, and i am aware that this argument has been made too many times before, a computer will never truley be able to do everything a human does, becases humans learn and, by defination, a computer can not. </p>
<p>xxx</p>
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		<title>By: Me2</title>
		<link>http://www.damninteresting.com/a-walk-in-the-valley-of-the-uncanny/#comment-21505</link>
		<dc:creator>Me2</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 20 May 2008 01:53:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The Wizard of Oz movie&#039;s flying monkeys creeped me out as a child, and still do.  Also, the gremlin in an episode of The Twilight Zone with William Shatner where it almost crashed the plane.   Their faces were just too bizarre.  Until I read this article, I did not realize the &quot;science&quot; behind this phenomenon.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The Wizard of Oz movie&#8217;s flying monkeys creeped me out as a child, and still do.  Also, the gremlin in an episode of The Twilight Zone with William Shatner where it almost crashed the plane.   Their faces were just too bizarre.  Until I read this article, I did not realize the &#8220;science&#8221; behind this phenomenon.</p>
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		<title>By: patrick89</title>
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		<dc:creator>patrick89</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 14 Dec 2007 00:49:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I think the new movie Beowulf was a good example of this at times. I found the start of the movie to be slightly unrealistic (the human faces and such) but found that they seemed more realistic as the movie progressed. Either I got used to their only semi-real natures or they actually improved. Either way, at the start of the movie, I definitely got a sense of Uncanny Valley. I think Beowulf is a good example of technology getting closer to overcoming that Uncanny Valley effect. It&#039;s still not perfect but it&#039;s getting there quite quickly CGI wise. Robots will probably be a bit harder though.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think the new movie Beowulf was a good example of this at times. I found the start of the movie to be slightly unrealistic (the human faces and such) but found that they seemed more realistic as the movie progressed. Either I got used to their only semi-real natures or they actually improved. Either way, at the start of the movie, I definitely got a sense of Uncanny Valley. I think Beowulf is a good example of technology getting closer to overcoming that Uncanny Valley effect. It&#8217;s still not perfect but it&#8217;s getting there quite quickly CGI wise. Robots will probably be a bit harder though.</p>
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		<title>By: dacoobob</title>
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		<dc:creator>dacoobob</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 28 Nov 2007 02:16:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[quote]Tink said: &quot;More so than the robots I find the sculpture&#039;s by Patricia Piccinini to be too freaky cool.  I love some of it as in the above, &quot;The Young Family&quot; and if you do a search for her website, and happen to be a fan of Animal planets Meerkat Manor, you will find another piece that will blow your mind.  But she also has some very creepy, Sci-Fi type of creatures interacting with children,and babies, it aint E.T.&quot;[/quote]
Interesting. I for one found the photo of the sculpture in the article incredibly creepy and repulsive. I actually physically recoiled from the computer screen when I saw it, and scrolled it off the screen as fast as I could. I was really surprised at the strength of my reaction to it-- I&#039;m not usually weirded out easily at all. Apparently the &quot;uncanny&quot; response is different for different people.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[quote]Tink said: &#8220;More so than the robots I find the sculpture&#8217;s by Patricia Piccinini to be too freaky cool.  I love some of it as in the above, &#8220;The Young Family&#8221; and if you do a search for her website, and happen to be a fan of Animal planets Meerkat Manor, you will find another piece that will blow your mind.  But she also has some very creepy, Sci-Fi type of creatures interacting with children,and babies, it aint E.T.&#8221;[/quote]<br />
Interesting. I for one found the photo of the sculpture in the article incredibly creepy and repulsive. I actually physically recoiled from the computer screen when I saw it, and scrolled it off the screen as fast as I could. I was really surprised at the strength of my reaction to it&#8211; I&#8217;m not usually weirded out easily at all. Apparently the &#8220;uncanny&#8221; response is different for different people.</p>
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		<title>By: HiEv</title>
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		<dc:creator>HiEv</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 27 Aug 2007 20:16:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[quote]Red1337Sox said: &quot;HiEv your whole arguments have just been &quot;you cant prove that&quot;.  How can you prove the things you are saying?&quot;[/quote]

I can&#039;t &lt;i&gt;prove&lt;/i&gt; them without actually demonstrating them, and I can&#039;t do that since the technology simply hasn&#039;t been invented/perfected yet.  However, I can make arguments about why it should be possible eventually, and that&#039;s what I&#039;ve already been doing.

None of the arguments made so far against computer simulation of human reactions are good scientific reasons why it can&#039;t be done, they&#039;re merely people&#039;s superstitious feelings that it shouldn&#039;t be possible, and that simply isn&#039;t a good argument.  Yes, it truly may not be possible, but I haven&#039;t heard one rational reason why not yet, and the evidence suggests that it should be possible, so that&#039;s the best argument for why it probably is possible that I can give right now.

If you have some specific point I made that you&#039;d like me to provide further arguments for, name it and I will.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[quote]Red1337Sox said: &#8220;HiEv your whole arguments have just been &#8220;you cant prove that&#8221;.  How can you prove the things you are saying?&#8221;[/quote]</p>
<p>I can&#8217;t <i>prove</i> them without actually demonstrating them, and I can&#8217;t do that since the technology simply hasn&#8217;t been invented/perfected yet.  However, I can make arguments about why it should be possible eventually, and that&#8217;s what I&#8217;ve already been doing.</p>
<p>None of the arguments made so far against computer simulation of human reactions are good scientific reasons why it can&#8217;t be done, they&#8217;re merely people&#8217;s superstitious feelings that it shouldn&#8217;t be possible, and that simply isn&#8217;t a good argument.  Yes, it truly may not be possible, but I haven&#8217;t heard one rational reason why not yet, and the evidence suggests that it should be possible, so that&#8217;s the best argument for why it probably is possible that I can give right now.</p>
<p>If you have some specific point I made that you&#8217;d like me to provide further arguments for, name it and I will.</p>
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		<title>By: MiladyM</title>
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		<dc:creator>MiladyM</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 08 Aug 2007 14:07:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Domo Arigatou   Mr. Roboto!&lt;/p&gt;</description>
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		<title>By: Hayley</title>
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		<dc:creator>Hayley</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 07 Aug 2007 18:49:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;&lt;span class=&#039;quote&#039;&gt;supercalafragalistic said: &quot;Any one want to address the creepy factor of Mister Rogers? I was always creeped out by him. Was it because he was faking his emotions, or hiding something about himself? I think any robotic version of him would have made me less creeped out than the real person.&quot;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p&gt;
I saw a video of Mr. Rogers trying to set up a tent once.  It kept falling over, and he would get really pissed and yell all sorts of curses at it that were certainly not the norm for him...I don&#039;t think.  I would have to imagine, playing with puppets and feeding the same fish and changing your shoes all the time would get terribly frustrating.  He was probably hiding at least some emotions.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><span class='quote'>supercalafragalistic said: &#8220;Any one want to address the creepy factor of Mister Rogers? I was always creeped out by him. Was it because he was faking his emotions, or hiding something about himself? I think any robotic version of him would have made me less creeped out than the real person.&#8221;</span></p>
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I saw a video of Mr. Rogers trying to set up a tent once.  It kept falling over, and he would get really pissed and yell all sorts of curses at it that were certainly not the norm for him&#8230;I don&#8217;t think.  I would have to imagine, playing with puppets and feeding the same fish and changing your shoes all the time would get terribly frustrating.  He was probably hiding at least some emotions.</p>
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