Comments on: Baseball and the Physicists http://www.damninteresting.com/baseball-and-the-physicists/ A collection of legitimately fascinating information culled from the past, present, and anticipated future. Tue, 15 May 2012 14:45:19 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.3.2 By: RioGrandeValley http://www.damninteresting.com/baseball-and-the-physicists/#comment-25448 RioGrandeValley Sat, 24 Oct 2009 05:17:34 +0000 http://www.damninteresting.com/?p=520#comment-25448 Is it better to be right handed than left handed? And would it make a difference if you were left brained or right brained. Or wet brained when it is really from dehydration? and does it even apply Is it better to be right handed than left handed? And would it make a difference if you were left brained or right brained. Or wet brained when it is really from dehydration? and does it even apply

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By: ShowerRockGod http://www.damninteresting.com/baseball-and-the-physicists/#comment-23962 ShowerRockGod Wed, 11 Feb 2009 20:12:42 +0000 http://www.damninteresting.com/?p=520#comment-23962 Honestly, soccer has been kinda ruined for me by all the damn violence you see at every game. I'm not talking just about the riots that end up on clip shows. Even at a 'normal' game you gotta look out for goons who support the other team attacking you in the street! People in other contries just take it too damn seriously for my tastes. I even saw a newspaper from some South American country (Brazil I think) claiming that the 'foot of Jesus' came down and helped thier team during a game. That is some hardcore fandom my friends. Honestly, soccer has been kinda ruined for me by all the damn violence you see at every game. I’m not talking just about the riots that end up on clip shows. Even at a ‘normal’ game you gotta look out for goons who support the other team attacking you in the street! People in other contries just take it too damn seriously for my tastes. I even saw a newspaper from some South American country (Brazil I think) claiming that the ‘foot of Jesus’ came down and helped thier team during a game. That is some hardcore fandom my friends.

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By: Eliot http://www.damninteresting.com/baseball-and-the-physicists/#comment-16488 Eliot Fri, 27 Jul 2007 11:40:22 +0000 http://www.damninteresting.com/?p=520#comment-16488 <p><span class='quote'>alipardiwala said: "Americans seem to think the world revolves around them. This article says baseball is the most scientifically studied, how the hell do you know? Football ('Soccer' as americans call it because football in america means american football which uses more 'hands' and 'throwing' than 'foot') is the worlds most popular sport, all of Europe, South America and Africa play the game as their primary sport, with the rest of the world playing it secondarily. even the players study every aspect of how to make the ball swing in the air. Cricket, which is played predominantly in the South Asian subcontinent and Oceana, is watched and studied by at least a billion people, which in case you didnt know, is 3 times as many people as there are in the USA. Even a taxi driver in India will know all the physics of cricket.</span></p><p><span class='quote'>This reminds me of how the first world war was called a 'world' war even though there were only 6 countries fighting, Europe in those days considered themselves to be the entire world. It looks like its happening to america now. Whatever they think and do seems to be what goes. Get your facts and statistics right, consider the rest of the world before you come up with more stuff like this."</span></p><p> Why do I come across so many raving diatribes on this subject? Nobody is disputing that soccer is the most popular sport in the world. After seeing all these pointless debates on whether soccer or football is the “correct” word, I am convinced that people will argue just about anything along nationalist boundaries. Believe or not, they're both correct, so there's no reason to get bent out of shape because somebody uses a different word than you.</p><p>I cannot verify the article's claim that baseball is the world's most studied sport, but I certainly wouldn't count it out. There has been pretty massive research done not only on the physics of the game, but also involving statistical analysis. The last several years, baseball has really innovated the use of extensive advanced statistics, and that has started to spread to other sports including soccer as seen below.</p><p>http://observer.guardian.co.uk/osm/story/0,,2002909,00.html</p><p>It is also in baseball where fantasy sports originated and various medical procedures have been pioneered.</p> alipardiwala said: “Americans seem to think the world revolves around them. This article says baseball is the most scientifically studied, how the hell do you know? Football (‘Soccer’ as americans call it because football in america means american football which uses more ‘hands’ and ‘throwing’ than ‘foot’) is the worlds most popular sport, all of Europe, South America and Africa play the game as their primary sport, with the rest of the world playing it secondarily. even the players study every aspect of how to make the ball swing in the air. Cricket, which is played predominantly in the South Asian subcontinent and Oceana, is watched and studied by at least a billion people, which in case you didnt know, is 3 times as many people as there are in the USA. Even a taxi driver in India will know all the physics of cricket.

This reminds me of how the first world war was called a ‘world’ war even though there were only 6 countries fighting, Europe in those days considered themselves to be the entire world. It looks like its happening to america now. Whatever they think and do seems to be what goes. Get your facts and statistics right, consider the rest of the world before you come up with more stuff like this.”

Why do I come across so many raving diatribes on this subject? Nobody is disputing that soccer is the most popular sport in the world. After seeing all these pointless debates on whether soccer or football is the “correct” word, I am convinced that people will argue just about anything along nationalist boundaries. Believe or not, they’re both correct, so there’s no reason to get bent out of shape because somebody uses a different word than you.

I cannot verify the article’s claim that baseball is the world’s most studied sport, but I certainly wouldn’t count it out. There has been pretty massive research done not only on the physics of the game, but also involving statistical analysis. The last several years, baseball has really innovated the use of extensive advanced statistics, and that has started to spread to other sports including soccer as seen below.

http://observer.guardian.co.uk/osm/story/0,,2002909,00.html

It is also in baseball where fantasy sports originated and various medical procedures have been pioneered.

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By: WolfManDragon http://www.damninteresting.com/baseball-and-the-physicists/#comment-6550 WolfManDragon Thu, 22 Jun 2006 19:20:09 +0000 http://www.damninteresting.com/?p=520#comment-6550 <p>I love the section of the article that says "All of this study of the physics of baseball date back to the 1950’s when wind tunnel experiments proved that curve balls really do curve." I'm a science major and it still amazes me how many scientists have to see the simplest thing proved in the lab to believe it.</p><p>For the record, there is such a thing as a rising fast ball. It only takes getting hit by one to make a beleiver out of one.</p> I love the section of the article that says “All of this study of the physics of baseball date back to the 1950’s when wind tunnel experiments proved that curve balls really do curve.” I’m a science major and it still amazes me how many scientists have to see the simplest thing proved in the lab to believe it.

For the record, there is such a thing as a rising fast ball. It only takes getting hit by one to make a beleiver out of one.

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By: del_b_vista http://www.damninteresting.com/baseball-and-the-physicists/#comment-4852 del_b_vista Mon, 08 May 2006 22:41:15 +0000 http://www.damninteresting.com/?p=520#comment-4852 <p><span class='quote'>Anthony Kendall said: "A physicist investigating the science of baseball is very likely doing so in his spare time. Academic scientists really are usually "under contract" to produce research related to the grants and other sources of funding they receive. I doubt that there are many grants to physicists related to baseball research.</span></p><p><span class='quote'>I think a physicist ought to have time to his or her diversions, just like everyone else. After all, perhaps those physicists are not fond of gardening or cooking, and need something to do in the evenings. During the day they cannot because they are far too busy trying to find that Theory of Everything."</span></p><p>Actually, there is funding for studying things like this from the sporting goods industry. My college's aerospace engineering department had a contract to study aluminum baseball and softball bats. They built a gun to fire balls at bats and developed ways to study the impacts.</p> Anthony Kendall said: “A physicist investigating the science of baseball is very likely doing so in his spare time. Academic scientists really are usually “under contract” to produce research related to the grants and other sources of funding they receive. I doubt that there are many grants to physicists related to baseball research.

I think a physicist ought to have time to his or her diversions, just like everyone else. After all, perhaps those physicists are not fond of gardening or cooking, and need something to do in the evenings. During the day they cannot because they are far too busy trying to find that Theory of Everything.”

Actually, there is funding for studying things like this from the sporting goods industry. My college’s aerospace engineering department had a contract to study aluminum baseball and softball bats. They built a gun to fire balls at bats and developed ways to study the impacts.

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By: Drakvil http://www.damninteresting.com/baseball-and-the-physicists/#comment-4550 Drakvil Wed, 03 May 2006 18:27:49 +0000 http://www.damninteresting.com/?p=520#comment-4550 <p>I have heard that many pit crews in auto racing are made up mostly of physics grad students and the like (don't recall the exact category - NASCAR, Indy, formula-1, etc.)</p><p>As for the point the world revolves around, that would generally be the point where the speaker is standing. To each person (in a broad, general sense) the world revolves around where they live. The exceptions are the people who are trying to accomplish things in parts of the world where they are not present. In India, I imagine the world halfway revolves around India, and halfway around the U.S., considering how many phone tech and customer support centers have been outsourced there... they are on the phone with the U.S. for a huge part of their waking hours (the people working those jobs there, not all people in India).</p><p>Likewise, there are parts of China where the world revolves around Japan.</p> I have heard that many pit crews in auto racing are made up mostly of physics grad students and the like (don’t recall the exact category – NASCAR, Indy, formula-1, etc.)

As for the point the world revolves around, that would generally be the point where the speaker is standing. To each person (in a broad, general sense) the world revolves around where they live. The exceptions are the people who are trying to accomplish things in parts of the world where they are not present. In India, I imagine the world halfway revolves around India, and halfway around the U.S., considering how many phone tech and customer support centers have been outsourced there… they are on the phone with the U.S. for a huge part of their waking hours (the people working those jobs there, not all people in India).

Likewise, there are parts of China where the world revolves around Japan.

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By: white_matter http://www.damninteresting.com/baseball-and-the-physicists/#comment-4509 white_matter Tue, 02 May 2006 23:11:52 +0000 http://www.damninteresting.com/?p=520#comment-4509 <p><span class='quote'>alipardiwala said: "@white_matter: Do you really have to be that harsh, I thought we were having an intelligent conversation here, and you aren't really sticking to the topic your just continuing on Carcers last line and bringing out your views on another matter, I'd be glad to have this conversation with you but this isn't the place."</span></p><p> To be quite honest, there is very little in your original post that can be considered intelligent and definately nothing original. Your whole post was nothing but anti-ameriacn sentiment peppered with the occasional ignorant statement. Your post was practically begging an American to say something. I wasn't being harsh I was simply answering. Stick to the topic? Intelligent conversation? Your post was nothing but self righteous ramblings about how dumb Americans are. I thought that I WAS sticking to the topic. Carcer made a good point but I would have responded reguardless. Just reading over your first post makes my blood boil with how blindly ignorant everything you said was. There was not a single sentence in that paragraph of dejecta you call a post that isn't some how condesending. Get YOUR facts and get YOUR statistics right before you're made to look as foolish as you seem again. There, my rant is complete and I am past your stupidity. Now we can move on... Oh and for the record, you would not want to have this conversation with me. If your opinions are even as half concocted as your post, I'd tear you to shreds.</p> alipardiwala said: “@white_matter: Do you really have to be that harsh, I thought we were having an intelligent conversation here, and you aren’t really sticking to the topic your just continuing on Carcers last line and bringing out your views on another matter, I’d be glad to have this conversation with you but this isn’t the place.”

To be quite honest, there is very little in your original post that can be considered intelligent and definately nothing original. Your whole post was nothing but anti-ameriacn sentiment peppered with the occasional ignorant statement. Your post was practically begging an American to say something. I wasn’t being harsh I was simply answering.

Stick to the topic? Intelligent conversation? Your post was nothing but self righteous ramblings about how dumb Americans are. I thought that I WAS sticking to the topic. Carcer made a good point but I would have responded reguardless. Just reading over your first post makes my blood boil with how blindly ignorant everything you said was. There was not a single sentence in that paragraph of dejecta you call a post that isn’t some how condesending. Get YOUR facts and get YOUR statistics right before you’re made to look as foolish as you seem again.

There, my rant is complete and I am past your stupidity. Now we can move on…

Oh and for the record, you would not want to have this conversation with me. If your opinions are even as half concocted as your post, I’d tear you to shreds.

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By: Carcer http://www.damninteresting.com/baseball-and-the-physicists/#comment-4505 Carcer Tue, 02 May 2006 19:23:55 +0000 http://www.damninteresting.com/?p=520#comment-4505 <p>Look, can we, as intelligent people, not place ALL of the blame for America's LONG standing ills on just the current President. G.W.Bush is not the first, nor will he be last, to muck up the image of the presidency. He's NOT the cause of our world standing. It's a combination of our weak foriegn policy, and our relieance (sp?) on countries who, for lack of a better term, suck. </p> Look, can we, as intelligent people, not place ALL of the blame for America’s LONG standing ills on just the current President. G.W.Bush is not the first, nor will he be last, to muck up the image of the presidency. He’s NOT the cause of our world standing. It’s a combination of our weak foriegn policy, and our relieance (sp?) on countries who, for lack of a better term, suck.

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By: Stuart http://www.damninteresting.com/baseball-and-the-physicists/#comment-4504 Stuart Tue, 02 May 2006 18:46:17 +0000 http://www.damninteresting.com/?p=520#comment-4504 <p><span class='quote'>alipardiwala said: "This reminds me of how the first world war was called a 'world' war even though there were only 6 countries fighting, Europe in those days considered themselves to be the entire world. It looks like its happening to america now. Whatever they think and do seems to be what goes. Get your facts and statistics right, consider the rest of the world before you come up with more stuff like this."</span></p><p> The First World War was considered a world-war because it involved soldiers from all over the world. The British Empire alone involved troops from Australia, Canada, India, Bangladesh, Pakistan,Newfoundland, New Zealand, South Africa, England, Wales, Scotland and Ireland. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Participants_in_World_War_I That looks to me like a global involvement. The fighting wasn't just in Europe either. Northern Africa and the Middle East had battles fought in them (the Gallipoli campaign being an example) and there were battles fought in the colonies of the European countries. At least do some research before you make comments like this. It only makes you a hypocrite for accusing Americans of being ignorant to world events. </p> alipardiwala said: “This reminds me of how the first world war was called a ‘world’ war even though there were only 6 countries fighting, Europe in those days considered themselves to be the entire world. It looks like its happening to america now. Whatever they think and do seems to be what goes. Get your facts and statistics right, consider the rest of the world before you come up with more stuff like this.”

The First World War was considered a world-war because it involved soldiers from all over the world. The British Empire alone involved troops from Australia, Canada, India, Bangladesh, Pakistan,Newfoundland, New Zealand, South Africa, England, Wales, Scotland and Ireland.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Participants_in_World_War_I

That looks to me like a global involvement. The fighting wasn’t just in Europe either. Northern Africa and the Middle East had battles fought in them (the Gallipoli campaign being an example) and there were battles fought in the colonies of the European countries. At least do some research before you make comments like this. It only makes you a hypocrite for accusing Americans of being ignorant to world events.

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By: ricevillage http://www.damninteresting.com/baseball-and-the-physicists/#comment-4502 ricevillage Tue, 02 May 2006 18:25:46 +0000 http://www.damninteresting.com/?p=520#comment-4502 <p>It may be considered the most studied sport because there are so many aspects of it that may charm an observer. Furthermore, there always seems to have been an undercurrent of suspicion on the part of observers that that there are elements still to be understood. I wrote a how-to book on the knuckleball and stated early on that it might prompt people to reveal aspects of it that are barely known, never mind understood. I've jokingly referred to it as an applied-physics textbook, but it indeed has prompted cool things about the pitch to reveal themselves, such as the ideal rotation apparently being less than one-half revolution AND straight forward, and one aficianado's discovery of how to throw it to cause it to CORKSCREW ( which makes it easy to throw for strikes but impossible to hit except for sheer blind chance). </p><p>Wouldn't it be the coolest if this results in Everyman having a real shot at making the Show?</p> It may be considered the most studied sport because there are so many aspects of it that may charm an observer. Furthermore, there always seems to have been an undercurrent of suspicion on the part of observers that that there are elements still to be understood. I wrote a how-to book on the knuckleball and stated early on that it might prompt people to reveal aspects of it that are barely known, never mind understood. I’ve jokingly referred to it as an applied-physics textbook, but it indeed has prompted cool things about the pitch to reveal themselves, such as the ideal rotation apparently being less than one-half revolution AND straight forward, and one aficianado’s discovery of how to throw it to cause it to CORKSCREW ( which makes it easy to throw for strikes but impossible to hit except for sheer blind chance).

Wouldn’t it be the coolest if this results in Everyman having a real shot at making the Show?

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