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		<title>By: Mirage_GSM</title>
		<link>http://www.damninteresting.com/davy-crockett-king-of-the-atomic-frontier#comment-24317</link>
		<dc:creator>Mirage_GSM</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 15 Apr 2009 14:58:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[quote]Anthropositor said: &quot;No, not a miracle. Widely accepted propaganda. It is true that there may well have been a substantial saving in total lost lives. But it was an extreme propaganda excess to suggest that this number was in the millions...&quot;[/quote]
Nobody is ever going to be able to exactly calculate the number of lives saved by the bombs. Frankly I don&#039;t care if it was millions or &quot;only&quot; hundreds of thousands. Any &quot;substantial&quot; number of lives saved should be something to be glad about.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[quote]Anthropositor said: &#8220;No, not a miracle. Widely accepted propaganda. It is true that there may well have been a substantial saving in total lost lives. But it was an extreme propaganda excess to suggest that this number was in the millions&#8230;&#8221;[/quote]<br />
Nobody is ever going to be able to exactly calculate the number of lives saved by the bombs. Frankly I don&#8217;t care if it was millions or &#8220;only&#8221; hundreds of thousands. Any &#8220;substantial&#8221; number of lives saved should be something to be glad about.</p>
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		<title>By: smartalec</title>
		<link>http://www.damninteresting.com/davy-crockett-king-of-the-atomic-frontier#comment-23710</link>
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		<pubDate>Sat, 10 Jan 2009 00:44:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Okay, first, unfortunately, atomic weapons are a necessary evil at this point at time, with the doomsday clock reading 5 minutes to midnight. it is inevitable that the human race will either destroy our homes or ourselves, but its not going to be like, (microcosmically) &quot;lets get rid of our police and have no crime! it&#039;ll be magic!&quot;. Eventually, there may be a nuclear disarming, but I can&#039;t ever see any good coming out of it, with the current global scenario.
        but honestly, ICBMs may be nessecary, but c&#039;mon, tiny little bitesized atomic explosives, thats hilarous, at almost any level.
       how &#039;bout we build a time machine and kill Franklin oppeniner?  
Definitely DI
P.S. EIGHTY-NINTH!!!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Okay, first, unfortunately, atomic weapons are a necessary evil at this point at time, with the doomsday clock reading 5 minutes to midnight. it is inevitable that the human race will either destroy our homes or ourselves, but its not going to be like, (microcosmically) &#8220;lets get rid of our police and have no crime! it&#8217;ll be magic!&#8221;. Eventually, there may be a nuclear disarming, but I can&#8217;t ever see any good coming out of it, with the current global scenario.<br />
        but honestly, ICBMs may be nessecary, but c&#8217;mon, tiny little bitesized atomic explosives, thats hilarous, at almost any level.<br />
       how &#8217;bout we build a time machine and kill Franklin oppeniner?<br />
Definitely DI<br />
P.S. EIGHTY-NINTH!!!</p>
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		<title>By: Anthropositor</title>
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		<dc:creator>Anthropositor</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 12 Jul 2008 22:43:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[quote]blenderhead said: &quot;The nuclear bombs we dropped on Nagasaki and Hiroshima saved -millions- of lives. The only use of these hellish weapons in history was a responsible use,  oddly enough. A miracle, huh?&quot;[/quote]

No, not a miracle.  Widely accepted propaganda.  It is true that there may well have been a substantial saving in total lost lives.  But it was  an extreme propaganda excess to suggest that this number was in the millions.  I was just a young lad at the time, but I was paying a lot of attention to what was happening, because I was having, like Diogenes, great difficulty finding an honest man.  

I had already concluded that people don&#039;t really even need a good reason to lie, especially to children.  I was still chaffing over Santa Claus, the Easter Bunny, and the Tooth Fairy.  I could not fathom why grown people would deliberately feed little children this sort of nonsense.  

My father, a Presbyterian minister at the time, was a consummate liar with the children of his congregation, of every age.

The best of liars sow great confusion, expertly blending a lot of truth with strategic error and falsity.  They capitalize on the deep wish to believe.  

I do not believe my father ever prayed.  He preyed.  And when the Presbyterian Church tired of transferring him into new congregations, they cut him loose in a cosmetic way (simply retiring him, with the gift of a new car), leaving it for the rest of his immediate family to cope with carnage and criminality they should have and could have addressed more appropriately.  

Not a second thought was given to his wife and children and what they had to deal with.  How very Catholic of the Presbyterian Heirachy.

But I digress.  Getting back to the bombings of the two pristine, non-strategic civilian target cities, it is not just a matter of should we have or shouldn&#039;t we have.  Could we have  done it in such a way as to reduce casualties?  Could we have accomplished the same purpose with only the immediate loss of fifty thousand souls, instead of almost triple that?  Could the first bomb have been dropped a few miles off the coast of Japan?  Then we would still have done significant damage, but at the same time have demonstrated a certain restraint to the rest of the watchful world.  Such restraint might well have had a salutary effect on international politics.

I was once unable to avoid being face to face with General LeMay who was a central planner in these bombings, and who, seventeen years after Hiroshima, advocated much more aggressive actions than we ultimately employed during the Cuban Missile Crisis.  Actions which could quite easily have ended all life as we know it on Earth (at almost the first moment in time in which that was really possible).</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[quote]blenderhead said: &#8220;The nuclear bombs we dropped on Nagasaki and Hiroshima saved -millions- of lives. The only use of these hellish weapons in history was a responsible use,  oddly enough. A miracle, huh?&#8221;[/quote]</p>
<p>No, not a miracle.  Widely accepted propaganda.  It is true that there may well have been a substantial saving in total lost lives.  But it was  an extreme propaganda excess to suggest that this number was in the millions.  I was just a young lad at the time, but I was paying a lot of attention to what was happening, because I was having, like Diogenes, great difficulty finding an honest man.  </p>
<p>I had already concluded that people don&#8217;t really even need a good reason to lie, especially to children.  I was still chaffing over Santa Claus, the Easter Bunny, and the Tooth Fairy.  I could not fathom why grown people would deliberately feed little children this sort of nonsense.  </p>
<p>My father, a Presbyterian minister at the time, was a consummate liar with the children of his congregation, of every age.</p>
<p>The best of liars sow great confusion, expertly blending a lot of truth with strategic error and falsity.  They capitalize on the deep wish to believe.  </p>
<p>I do not believe my father ever prayed.  He preyed.  And when the Presbyterian Church tired of transferring him into new congregations, they cut him loose in a cosmetic way (simply retiring him, with the gift of a new car), leaving it for the rest of his immediate family to cope with carnage and criminality they should have and could have addressed more appropriately.  </p>
<p>Not a second thought was given to his wife and children and what they had to deal with.  How very Catholic of the Presbyterian Heirachy.</p>
<p>But I digress.  Getting back to the bombings of the two pristine, non-strategic civilian target cities, it is not just a matter of should we have or shouldn&#8217;t we have.  Could we have  done it in such a way as to reduce casualties?  Could we have accomplished the same purpose with only the immediate loss of fifty thousand souls, instead of almost triple that?  Could the first bomb have been dropped a few miles off the coast of Japan?  Then we would still have done significant damage, but at the same time have demonstrated a certain restraint to the rest of the watchful world.  Such restraint might well have had a salutary effect on international politics.</p>
<p>I was once unable to avoid being face to face with General LeMay who was a central planner in these bombings, and who, seventeen years after Hiroshima, advocated much more aggressive actions than we ultimately employed during the Cuban Missile Crisis.  Actions which could quite easily have ended all life as we know it on Earth (at almost the first moment in time in which that was really possible).</p>
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		<title>By: Bill Lake</title>
		<link>http://www.damninteresting.com/davy-crockett-king-of-the-atomic-frontier#comment-21711</link>
		<dc:creator>Bill Lake</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 06 Jun 2008 11:20:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I was assigned to guard the Davey Crockett in 1963, Germany. Those photographs are not even close to what I guarded. The Davey Crockett that I guarded was all stainless steel and resembled a morter type cannon, the size of a VW.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I was assigned to guard the Davey Crockett in 1963, Germany. Those photographs are not even close to what I guarded. The Davey Crockett that I guarded was all stainless steel and resembled a morter type cannon, the size of a VW.</p>
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		<title>By: Nano_Burger</title>
		<link>http://www.damninteresting.com/davy-crockett-king-of-the-atomic-frontier#comment-21302</link>
		<dc:creator>Nano_Burger</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 08 May 2008 16:33:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;People at about 1,000 feet from the blast would experience temporary fatigue and nausea which would then pass, but this misleading &quot;walking ghost&quot; condition leads to a painful death after a few days of apparent well-being.&quot;

This is called latent lethality.  Ususally starts with a whole body dose of 200-350 cGy. But even then up 50% can survive with supportive care.  350-550 cGy you have maybe 10% chance of surviving.  One of the best things you can do if you recieve above 550 cGy is dig your own grave as it will cut down on the resulting disease associated with rotting bodies.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;People at about 1,000 feet from the blast would experience temporary fatigue and nausea which would then pass, but this misleading &#8220;walking ghost&#8221; condition leads to a painful death after a few days of apparent well-being.&#8221;</p>
<p>This is called latent lethality.  Ususally starts with a whole body dose of 200-350 cGy. But even then up 50% can survive with supportive care.  350-550 cGy you have maybe 10% chance of surviving.  One of the best things you can do if you recieve above 550 cGy is dig your own grave as it will cut down on the resulting disease associated with rotting bodies.</p>
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		<title>By: wargammer2005</title>
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		<dc:creator>wargammer2005</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 17 Apr 2008 15:19:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[quote]vonmeth said: &quot;http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Atomic_bombings_of_Hiroshima_and_Nagasaki

It was not neccesarry, and most generals agree Japan was ready to surrender.&quot;[/quote]

too bad that all people cant be as all knowing as you seem to be.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[quote]vonmeth said: &#8220;http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Atomic_bombings_of_Hiroshima_and_Nagasaki</p>
<p>It was not neccesarry, and most generals agree Japan was ready to surrender.&#8221;[/quote]</p>
<p>too bad that all people cant be as all knowing as you seem to be.</p>
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		<title>By: Two Cents from Girth</title>
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		<dc:creator>Two Cents from Girth</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 16 Apr 2008 02:07:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>We have come along way since those oversized RPGs with a bang! I saw the Excaliber SP Artillery System a few weeks ago, the new line of the Paladin SPs. That was a pretty damn cool piece of machinery. The point is, I think we have a few Armored Self Propelled units out there with nuclear capability. I just didnt see any survivability in the photos of three guys in a jeep less than two miles from a massive invasionary front... In forty years, we have been able to reduce the size and increase the yield of our limited yield nuclear tactical weopons as well as diversify our delivery systems. I just dont think other countries realize how deep our hurt locker is, we have all kinds of options for all kinds of situations. Again, great job Armed Forces!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>We have come along way since those oversized RPGs with a bang! I saw the Excaliber SP Artillery System a few weeks ago, the new line of the Paladin SPs. That was a pretty damn cool piece of machinery. The point is, I think we have a few Armored Self Propelled units out there with nuclear capability. I just didnt see any survivability in the photos of three guys in a jeep less than two miles from a massive invasionary front&#8230; In forty years, we have been able to reduce the size and increase the yield of our limited yield nuclear tactical weopons as well as diversify our delivery systems. I just dont think other countries realize how deep our hurt locker is, we have all kinds of options for all kinds of situations. Again, great job Armed Forces!</p>
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		<title>By: Anthropositor</title>
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		<dc:creator>Anthropositor</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 13 Apr 2008 13:35:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I actually have litle surplus time, and it may run out before I am ready.  I do work for the betterment of government.  Clearly, more help is needed.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I actually have litle surplus time, and it may run out before I am ready.  I do work for the betterment of government.  Clearly, more help is needed.</p>
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