“To summarize: it is a well known fact that those people who most want to rule people are, ipso facto, those least suited to do it. To summarize the summary: anyone who is capable of getting themselves made President should on no account be allowed to do the job. To summarize the summary of the summary: people are a problem.”

Says it all really!

I just watched that and I’m actually now truely horrified, it’s scary to think that just normal people would do that :S Thanks for mentioning it, it’s been really interesting

More Kudos.

The worry is that rights will be peeled away while no new freedoms are given and that it will be done in such a way that no one will notice (or get upset) until it is too late. Much like a Frog who is slowly boiled alive…will we notice the danger before the temperature is too high? When someone says its time to jump out will we call them crazy? or borrow their courage and jump out too?
Tomorrows world may 100% justify that citezens cannot be armed….by then, if the government is corrupt, it will be TOO LATE to do anything about it.

With your theory you are trading more freedom of one kind for a lot less freedom of many other kinds.

I think what the experiment is showing is that people are not taught enough about critical thinking, questioning why they are doing things, and the results of their actions. To one degree or another everyone is guilty of that – what is now a college course in critical thinking ought to be moved to the High School or Jr. High School level.”[/quote]

Kudos. I Agree with everything you wrote.

There are too many people that think the rules limit freedom. This simply isn’t true.
Moral values may inhibit someone from making a choice (the percieved loss of freedom) but this allows them to remain free of many other things: drug addiction, std, unwanted pregnancy, guilt, etc.

It comes down to a weighing of the options especially because the equation MUST include the reaction to every action we take. Some choices taken may severely limit other choices. Some choices I may want to make may limit someone else’s choices. Some choices you make may limit MY choices. In chaos, the whoever prevails by whatever means wins. There can be no “fair” or “unfair” in chaos.

It all boils down to selfish vs unselfish.

If people were 100% unselfish then no “rules” would be necessary. We would build houses for eachother, teach eachother, share our food, etc without need for the eschange of money. The casual observer might say they see a very finely orchestrated chaos.

We are NOT 100% unselfish, nor do I think we are capable of such. Even if HALF the people were 100% unselfish such a system would eventually fail. The unselfish side would be depleted by the selfish side and fail. SO, we have rules. Rules limit some personal freedoms in hopes of granting greater basic freedoms to more people. So we have a bill of rights, freedom from fear, tyranny, etc. But to do so, we have to limit chaos and introduce order. No raping your neighbors…this would be alienating his rights and is punishable by law.

In the expirament, it would seem that the “teachers” are giving up their freedom of thought in an attempt to be free from responsibility. If they questioned the White Lab coat, then he would have to think and as such would have some responsibility to report that such unethical treatment had taken place.

-btw- I don’t buy the whole “chaos is the rule of the universe” There are simply so many laws and rules being inacted that are beyond our current comprehension that it appears to be chaos.

This guys sounds eerily close to a psychopathic profile….