The maths sez. 6bil people in Texas = 116,03 square metres per person. That’s like 11,6mx10m. No roads. No nothing. Just people each living in 10m x 10m plots. Sounds just plain lvoely to me. I expect if you give a good fart then a sizeable percentage of the human population of the world would smell it :P If we packed everybody into the US then each person will have about 40m x 40m. A little bit better to say the least, but I think with basic infrastructure that area would have to be reduced to about 30m x 30m. And then of course, no parks or sport fields, etc… You are still looking at a scenario where if one person gets a bad flu then the human race is in trouble.
Use the world and we are left with plots of about 150m x 150m for everyone. Enough space for an estate, but each person would probably have to farm their own bit of land just to feed themselves. And growing food actually takes up quite a bit of space so I’d say each person would again be left with about 20m x 20m to actually live here.

One thing that VHEMT and all of you have missed in your arguments and counter arguments is that Humans ARE PART OF NATURE. Everyone says Humans and Nature as if they are seperate entities we are part of life on this planet we are part of nature, therefore any pollution or destruction or whatever is a natural occurance.

Sure we can develop greener technologies and im not arguing that pollution is not a bad thing im just saying that it is as much part of the natural order of things as a yew tree that grows and kills all the grass and other plants around it as its toxic leaves fall.

In the past another Species almost caused the extinction of all life on the planet, it was a simple single celled organism that pumped out a highly toxic chemical called Oxygen kiling many other species and causing an ice age.

I find humanity to be very arrogant in many ways this is a great example of that arrogance sepperating ourselves from the rest of life on the planet when you scrutonise it is folly indeed.

On an offtopic slant i was reading the “Exit Mundi” link that was on their website and i came accross this.
[quote] The British cosmologist Fred Hoyle was the first to realise this is no coincidence. A very peculiar thing about the fundamental constants is that they appear to have exactly the right values. If they were slightly smaller or bigger, atoms, stars, planets and people simply wouldn’t exist!

Take the strong force inside atomic nuclei. If the force were just slightly stronger, it would boost up the burning of stars so much, that they would explode only seconds after they were formed. We wouldn’t have a sun – or even a planet. If on the other hand the force were a tad weaker, it would be too weak to hold together elements like the heavy hydrogen isotope deuterium. Stars wouldn’t light up. And we wouldn’t be here either.

Astonishingly, the same goes for all other constants. As the famous British astronomer Martin Rees put it: “Wherever we look, we see examples of fine-tuning. Most of the physical constants and the initial conditions of the Universe examined so far appear to be fine-tuned to some extent.”

That leaves us with a gnawing, unsettling question: Why? Why are all physical contants exactly the way they are? Every cosmologist agrees that this can hardly be a coincidence. So what, or who, set the rules? [/quote]

I find that argument ridiculous they explain the reson to these fine tunings in their argument. Why is the universe so fine tuned? because if it wasnt it wouldnt be there!! Why are the conditions on earth so perfect for life? Because if it wasnt there wouldnt be any!!

However, I recently read Margaret Atwood’s “Oryx and Crake,” and within it is a very interesting passage about the future of the Earth, especially if some disaster should wipe us all out. Here’s a shortened version of the idea:

“Let’s suppose for the sake of argument that civilization as we know it gets destroyed. […] Once it’s flattened, it could never be rebuilt.” “Because why?” “Because all available surface metals have already been mined,” said Crake. “Without which, no iron age, no bronze age, no age of steel, and all the rest of it. There’s metals farther down, but the advanced technology we need for extracting those would have been obliterated.” (pg. 261)

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Because, in the case of some massive event that destroys all our society, all the metal that we have mined will suddenly evaporate. The cars, trucks, buildings, etc will bury themselves deep into the earth…SO deep that they could never be mined by our future neanderthal children. Um. *hope you detected the sarcasm*

The people at VHMT are stupid. I could could go off and state all the reasons why, but something of their nature doesn’t deserve the time it would take to explain it. Poor logic, circular arguments that ignore many factors (another form of poor logic) and essentially ignorant disregard for everyone’s beliefs (sacred or not). This is the penulimate in egotistical tripe.

I agree on one point. Their parents should not have procreated.

In other news, the Duggar family is a carbon-greedy bunch of American nuts. http://www.duggarfamily.com

Keeping one’s pants zipped is key.”[/quote]

Faaaark!!!! Now that is just sad. Totally self absorbed and blissfully aware of needy around the place. Couldn’t they have adopted 18 kids from 3rd world countries or something?

Me and my wife made a decision many years ago that we never wanted kids, and yes part of that decision was that we didn’t want to bring another person into such a dump of a planet.

We are happy with our decision. The groups cause will never succeed of course but the reasons behind it are fine. Each to their own.

Personally I think we will be lucky to have another 40 years of stability on this planet. Space is not a problem but resources are. Fresh water, fresh food will all be harder to come by and you can only suppress people so much before they break.

I’ve been predicting another US civil war by the middle of this century for a while now. I don’t think I will be disappointed.

In other news, the Duggar family is a carbon-greedy bunch of American nuts. http://www.duggarfamily.com

Keeping one’s pants zipped is key.