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		<title>By: Amercitizen</title>
		<link>http://www.damninteresting.com/eyewitnesses-to-hiroshima-and-nagasaki#comment-24496</link>
		<dc:creator>Amercitizen</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 14 May 2009 14:37:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Ok for all you fuckers we wanted neutrality but we never get it.  We bombed Japan because it was the only thing we could have done.  Japan would have lasted forever, we couldn&#039;t take their home island, it was too well defended and if we tried we would have lost way too many soldiers.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Ok for all you fuckers we wanted neutrality but we never get it.  We bombed Japan because it was the only thing we could have done.  Japan would have lasted forever, we couldn&#8217;t take their home island, it was too well defended and if we tried we would have lost way too many soldiers.</p>
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		<title>By: Amercitizen</title>
		<link>http://www.damninteresting.com/eyewitnesses-to-hiroshima-and-nagasaki#comment-24450</link>
		<dc:creator>Amercitizen</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 06 May 2009 14:53:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I am an American and I&#039;m going to say it straight and clear.
In every world war we tried to stay isolationist but a couple of damn countries decided that they were strong enough to attack us.  Germany would have left us alone if it weren&#039;t for those traitorous Japs.  We wanted to do through peace talks but they were sneaky about it and they attacked us, A NEUTRAL COUNTRY THAT WANTED TO BE LEFT ALONE.  So we asked the stupid japanese government to surrender several times but they wouldn&#039;t hear it.  Even after we destroyed their entire Navy.  They would never surrender, they said so themselves, so we warned the citizen but they wouldn&#039;t listen. So we dropped the bombs. After the first was dropped the Jap didn&#039;t surrender so we dropped the second.  And if you think it was unfair to drop the bombs well listen to this.  Japanese soldiers killed thousands of innocent american civilians on Pearl Harbor</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I am an American and I&#8217;m going to say it straight and clear.<br />
In every world war we tried to stay isolationist but a couple of damn countries decided that they were strong enough to attack us.  Germany would have left us alone if it weren&#8217;t for those traitorous Japs.  We wanted to do through peace talks but they were sneaky about it and they attacked us, A NEUTRAL COUNTRY THAT WANTED TO BE LEFT ALONE.  So we asked the stupid japanese government to surrender several times but they wouldn&#8217;t hear it.  Even after we destroyed their entire Navy.  They would never surrender, they said so themselves, so we warned the citizen but they wouldn&#8217;t listen. So we dropped the bombs. After the first was dropped the Jap didn&#8217;t surrender so we dropped the second.  And if you think it was unfair to drop the bombs well listen to this.  Japanese soldiers killed thousands of innocent american civilians on Pearl Harbor</p>
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		<title>By: BenKinsey</title>
		<link>http://www.damninteresting.com/eyewitnesses-to-hiroshima-and-nagasaki#comment-22877</link>
		<dc:creator>BenKinsey</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 25 Sep 2008 16:32:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I would&#039;ve been content even if we would have dropped a bomb on every major Japanese city. They wanted beef and they got it and couldn&#039;t handle it. I don&#039;t think that we should have accepted a surrender that quickly. We should have crushed them like Germany was crushed during the WW&#039;s.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I would&#8217;ve been content even if we would have dropped a bomb on every major Japanese city. They wanted beef and they got it and couldn&#8217;t handle it. I don&#8217;t think that we should have accepted a surrender that quickly. We should have crushed them like Germany was crushed during the WW&#8217;s.</p>
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		<title>By: Bob Nesbo</title>
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		<dc:creator>Bob Nesbo</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 11 Jul 2008 11:16:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>One of my favorite authors is Paul Fussell.  he was a combat infantryman in Europe, and went on to be an English professor at the University of Pennsylvania.  Here is an excerpt from his book &quot;Thank God for the Atom Bomb&quot;.  (This opens as a PDF file):
http://crossroads.alexanderpiela.com/files/Fussell_Thank_God_AB.pdf

This section of the book really offers some perspective on the whole topic.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>One of my favorite authors is Paul Fussell.  he was a combat infantryman in Europe, and went on to be an English professor at the University of Pennsylvania.  Here is an excerpt from his book &#8220;Thank God for the Atom Bomb&#8221;.  (This opens as a PDF file):<br />
<a href="http://crossroads.alexanderpiela.com/files/Fussell_Thank_God_AB.pdf" rel="nofollow">http://crossroads.alexanderpiela.com/files/Fussell_Thank_God_AB.pdf</a></p>
<p>This section of the book really offers some perspective on the whole topic.</p>
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		<title>By: Mirage_GSM</title>
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		<dc:creator>Mirage_GSM</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 20 Jun 2008 08:59:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;ve just read through most of the comments here, and I think it is sad that it does not seem to be possible to have a rational discussion on this board. This site has some really damn interesting articles, but most comments seem to turn to insults and name calling sooner rather than later. This site REALLY neeas some moderation. Kudos to Madsam and SweetViolet for posting their opinions the way a discussion should be held!
Most arguments have been bounced back and forth several times already, and I don&#039;t want to repeat them all, so I&#039;ll retrict myself to two points noone seems to have adressed by now:
1) Two or three people here argued that the US &quot;forced&quot; Japan into Pearl Harbour by the US oil embargo against Japan. Well at the time Japan was already fighting several wars in eastern Asia, and the war crimes were not unknown to the US. There would be an outcry of unknown proportions if the US continued to sell oil (or other goods necessary to wage wars) to a country like that today. Back then the US populace was indifferent at best.
2) Hiroshima as a &quot;civilian&quot; target... Hiroshima was an industial centre and in WWII that means that it produced weapons and ammunitions for the war. It might not have been quite as extreme in the US, but in Japan, Germany and in fact Great Britain as well, nearly all to production was geared towards the war effort. You would have been hard pressed to find a purely &quot;civillian&quot; target in all of Japan. (One fact that played into the choice of targets that has not been mentioned yet, is that Hiroshima was one of the places without POW camps nearby.)

I&#039;m a german. Members of my family died in WWII. Tens of thousands of germans died during the allied bombings of civilian targets like Dresden and other cities.
Still I am glad the allies did that - because it was necessary to depose of the fascist regime we had back then! The US joining the war and helping defeat Nazi germany was what allowed me to grow up in a democratic country without having to fear for my life constantly. A country where I might not share the opinions of my leaders or even despise some of them, but where I won&#039;t be put in a concentration camp because of it.
By 1945 a good portion of the german people were as weary of the war as their british or french neighbours. Many even welcomed the (western) Allies, because they were afraid Stalin might get to them first. I&#039;m not saying there weren&#039;t fanatics who would have fought to the death - Nazi propaganda was too efficient for that, but germany had known democracy before Hitler and had known defeat in another World War. The german people knew that life would go on after a surrender and cities could be rebuilt.
Japan had never known defeat in recent history. The Japanese propaganda machine was just as efficient as the Nazi&#039;s. It was unthinkable to surrender to an american, because americans were barbarous monsters.
Of course noone can say for sure whether Japan would have eventually surrendered without the bombs, but my personal opinion is, that the assumption of a lot more lives - civillian or otherwise) being lost in case of an invasion is a plausible one after the battle of Okinawa. Anyone who disagrees, please read this article first: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Battle_of_Okinawa
Everyone has to know for himself what he would have done in that position. The choice of options was rather limited:
1. Pacifist option: Do nothing.
Japan is beaten. Go home, maybe put up an embargo. Well we all know how well weapon embargos kept Hitler from remilitarizing germany...
2. Conventional option: Keep firebombing Japan until they eventually surrender.
They&#039;d been doing that for quite some time with questionable effect.
3. Gung-Ho Option: Invade.
After Okinawa, I understand everyone who would want to avoid this.
4. Atomic option: Try to shock Japan into surendering.
They chose number 4 and it worked. Of course it was horrible for those who lived there, but was it worse than the alternatives? Maybe, but anyone who claims to be sure is lying.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;ve just read through most of the comments here, and I think it is sad that it does not seem to be possible to have a rational discussion on this board. This site has some really damn interesting articles, but most comments seem to turn to insults and name calling sooner rather than later. This site REALLY neeas some moderation. Kudos to Madsam and SweetViolet for posting their opinions the way a discussion should be held!<br />
Most arguments have been bounced back and forth several times already, and I don&#8217;t want to repeat them all, so I&#8217;ll retrict myself to two points noone seems to have adressed by now:<br />
1) Two or three people here argued that the US &#8220;forced&#8221; Japan into Pearl Harbour by the US oil embargo against Japan. Well at the time Japan was already fighting several wars in eastern Asia, and the war crimes were not unknown to the US. There would be an outcry of unknown proportions if the US continued to sell oil (or other goods necessary to wage wars) to a country like that today. Back then the US populace was indifferent at best.<br />
2) Hiroshima as a &#8220;civilian&#8221; target&#8230; Hiroshima was an industial centre and in WWII that means that it produced weapons and ammunitions for the war. It might not have been quite as extreme in the US, but in Japan, Germany and in fact Great Britain as well, nearly all to production was geared towards the war effort. You would have been hard pressed to find a purely &#8220;civillian&#8221; target in all of Japan. (One fact that played into the choice of targets that has not been mentioned yet, is that Hiroshima was one of the places without POW camps nearby.)</p>
<p>I&#8217;m a german. Members of my family died in WWII. Tens of thousands of germans died during the allied bombings of civilian targets like Dresden and other cities.<br />
Still I am glad the allies did that &#8211; because it was necessary to depose of the fascist regime we had back then! The US joining the war and helping defeat Nazi germany was what allowed me to grow up in a democratic country without having to fear for my life constantly. A country where I might not share the opinions of my leaders or even despise some of them, but where I won&#8217;t be put in a concentration camp because of it.<br />
By 1945 a good portion of the german people were as weary of the war as their british or french neighbours. Many even welcomed the (western) Allies, because they were afraid Stalin might get to them first. I&#8217;m not saying there weren&#8217;t fanatics who would have fought to the death &#8211; Nazi propaganda was too efficient for that, but germany had known democracy before Hitler and had known defeat in another World War. The german people knew that life would go on after a surrender and cities could be rebuilt.<br />
Japan had never known defeat in recent history. The Japanese propaganda machine was just as efficient as the Nazi&#8217;s. It was unthinkable to surrender to an american, because americans were barbarous monsters.<br />
Of course noone can say for sure whether Japan would have eventually surrendered without the bombs, but my personal opinion is, that the assumption of a lot more lives &#8211; civillian or otherwise) being lost in case of an invasion is a plausible one after the battle of Okinawa. Anyone who disagrees, please read this article first: <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Battle_of_Okinawa" rel="nofollow">http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Battle_of_Okinawa</a><br />
Everyone has to know for himself what he would have done in that position. The choice of options was rather limited:<br />
1. Pacifist option: Do nothing.<br />
Japan is beaten. Go home, maybe put up an embargo. Well we all know how well weapon embargos kept Hitler from remilitarizing germany&#8230;<br />
2. Conventional option: Keep firebombing Japan until they eventually surrender.<br />
They&#8217;d been doing that for quite some time with questionable effect.<br />
3. Gung-Ho Option: Invade.<br />
After Okinawa, I understand everyone who would want to avoid this.<br />
4. Atomic option: Try to shock Japan into surendering.<br />
They chose number 4 and it worked. Of course it was horrible for those who lived there, but was it worse than the alternatives? Maybe, but anyone who claims to be sure is lying.</p>
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		<title>By: jwinner</title>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 18 Feb 2008 14:07:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>(I&#039;m going to post the same response I did about the leaflet article, just to put my input in both places.)

Honestly I don&#039;t see the big debate here. The history books don&#039;t really matter, the leaflets don&#039;t really matter. For me, it&#039;s simple. It should be for everyone else too I think. We were at war. Hitler declared war on us first, then his allies followed. Yes, there was Pearl Harbor, but I don&#039;t see nuclear bombs as revenge for that. I mean, come on people! If I was the leader of a country and in the same position, hell I would use them in an instant. I would have started dropping every nuclear bomb I had on the enemy cities one at a time, and ask for a surrender after each one until the enemy finally gave up. Either my enemy would surrender or they would get their wish to die for their emporer, and I would have wiped an entire culture from existence. Either way, the war would be over. The planet was really up &quot;sh*t creek&quot; in WWII anyways, we had some serious trouble.

The Japanese were the final holdouts in WWII, we had defeated everyone else. We would have eventually defeated them too even without the nuclear bomb. Anyone who has studied history knows the Japanese war plans for the Allied invasion of their homeland. Suicide boats loaded with explosives to be driven into the allied ships, women and children taught how to kill the invaders, etc. People can argue if they want, but it was worth it. We dropped two bombs, killed lots of civilians, and gee, the Japanese government decided maybe they should surrender. Those civilians were cannon fodder, innocent people killed to convince their government to give up. That&#039;s fine with me, I&#039;d do it again in the same position. They had it coming for one reason, they agreed to join with Hitler and fight against us. And they did not surrender before we developed and used the bomb. Let&#039;s be sure we spread the blame around to everyone who is guilty, not just the people who dropped the bombs. You may think my comments sound harsh, hateful, or evil, but war is harsh and full of death.

Here&#039;s hoping we don&#039;t need to use them again. But it&#039;s in our nature to fight eachother, so it&#039;s only a matter of time - only this time, both sides will probably have them, and it&#039;s going to be a lot worse.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>(I&#8217;m going to post the same response I did about the leaflet article, just to put my input in both places.)</p>
<p>Honestly I don&#8217;t see the big debate here. The history books don&#8217;t really matter, the leaflets don&#8217;t really matter. For me, it&#8217;s simple. It should be for everyone else too I think. We were at war. Hitler declared war on us first, then his allies followed. Yes, there was Pearl Harbor, but I don&#8217;t see nuclear bombs as revenge for that. I mean, come on people! If I was the leader of a country and in the same position, hell I would use them in an instant. I would have started dropping every nuclear bomb I had on the enemy cities one at a time, and ask for a surrender after each one until the enemy finally gave up. Either my enemy would surrender or they would get their wish to die for their emporer, and I would have wiped an entire culture from existence. Either way, the war would be over. The planet was really up &#8220;sh*t creek&#8221; in WWII anyways, we had some serious trouble.</p>
<p>The Japanese were the final holdouts in WWII, we had defeated everyone else. We would have eventually defeated them too even without the nuclear bomb. Anyone who has studied history knows the Japanese war plans for the Allied invasion of their homeland. Suicide boats loaded with explosives to be driven into the allied ships, women and children taught how to kill the invaders, etc. People can argue if they want, but it was worth it. We dropped two bombs, killed lots of civilians, and gee, the Japanese government decided maybe they should surrender. Those civilians were cannon fodder, innocent people killed to convince their government to give up. That&#8217;s fine with me, I&#8217;d do it again in the same position. They had it coming for one reason, they agreed to join with Hitler and fight against us. And they did not surrender before we developed and used the bomb. Let&#8217;s be sure we spread the blame around to everyone who is guilty, not just the people who dropped the bombs. You may think my comments sound harsh, hateful, or evil, but war is harsh and full of death.</p>
<p>Here&#8217;s hoping we don&#8217;t need to use them again. But it&#8217;s in our nature to fight eachother, so it&#8217;s only a matter of time &#8211; only this time, both sides will probably have them, and it&#8217;s going to be a lot worse.</p>
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		<title>By: sd9sd</title>
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		<pubDate>Fri, 23 Nov 2007 14:37:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Seated comfortably in front of a computer, war seems really gory. But war has always been that way. Both in the past and now. Civilians were killed, pregnant women had their bellies cut open with swords, torture wasn&#039;t as uncommon as now...and blah blah blah...
The ego&#039;s of a group of people drive nations to war. That&#039;s what&#039;s really sad.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Seated comfortably in front of a computer, war seems really gory. But war has always been that way. Both in the past and now. Civilians were killed, pregnant women had their bellies cut open with swords, torture wasn&#8217;t as uncommon as now&#8230;and blah blah blah&#8230;<br />
The ego&#8217;s of a group of people drive nations to war. That&#8217;s what&#8217;s really sad.</p>
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		<title>By: colbster</title>
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		<pubDate>Thu, 25 Oct 2007 06:39:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I completely disagree about most of these people. President Truman DID NOT warn japan that they were going to fire an atomic bomb otherwise not nearly as many people would have been killed or injured. A first, Truman announced that he, indeed, had agreed that Japan surrendered and that they were looking for peace. Truman was advised many times not to fire the atomic bomb and on several other occasions his political advisers told him that there was no need to. But he ordered it anyway. All he wanted to do that for was because he wanted revenge for Pearl Harbor. I mean, sure, we all want some revenge sometimes but he chose the completely wrong way to go about it!!! He created the most DISASTEROUS carnage mankind has ever seen! All because he was a selfish, horrible man who has no conscience at all. Think about all of the lives he ruined and split up just because he wanted revenge.

you know im right</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I completely disagree about most of these people. President Truman DID NOT warn japan that they were going to fire an atomic bomb otherwise not nearly as many people would have been killed or injured. A first, Truman announced that he, indeed, had agreed that Japan surrendered and that they were looking for peace. Truman was advised many times not to fire the atomic bomb and on several other occasions his political advisers told him that there was no need to. But he ordered it anyway. All he wanted to do that for was because he wanted revenge for Pearl Harbor. I mean, sure, we all want some revenge sometimes but he chose the completely wrong way to go about it!!! He created the most DISASTEROUS carnage mankind has ever seen! All because he was a selfish, horrible man who has no conscience at all. Think about all of the lives he ruined and split up just because he wanted revenge.</p>
<p>you know im right</p>
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