Comments on: Free-Fall from Near Space http://www.damninteresting.com/free-fall-from-near-space/ A collection of legitimately fascinating information culled from the past, present, and anticipated future. Sun, 20 May 2012 04:50:01 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.3.2 By: karmabhutan http://www.damninteresting.com/free-fall-from-near-space/#comment-23304 karmabhutan Thu, 13 Nov 2008 14:22:02 +0000 http://www.damninteresting.com/?p=397#comment-23304 I am glad that his hardwork and determination has truly paidoff and still record stands today. I wish oneday i could have done simileir like him. Its my dream, but too expensive dream. I wish to see him one day. karma bhutan I am glad that his hardwork and determination has truly paidoff and still record stands today. I wish oneday i could have done simileir like him. Its my dream, but too expensive dream. I wish to see him one day. karma bhutan

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By: Alx_xlA http://www.damninteresting.com/free-fall-from-near-space/#comment-17461 Alx_xlA Sun, 30 Sep 2007 02:39:43 +0000 http://www.damninteresting.com/?p=397#comment-17461 [quote]gorgeousplanet said: "Can anyone remind me what's the highest G-Force a human has sustained and lived through?"[/quote] 179.8 g's involuntarily (brief deceleration), and 46.2 g's (sustained deceleration) voluntarily. [quote]At a standard belly-to-earth, or even back-to-earth position, an experience jumper can do a surprisingly good job of not drifting too far."[/quote] Capt. Kittinger dove in a standing position, due to his drogue chute. As the sign under the entrance to the gondola says, "This is the highest step in the world." [quote]gorgeousplanet said: “Can anyone remind me what’s the highest G-Force a human has sustained and lived through?”[/quote]

179.8 g’s involuntarily (brief deceleration), and 46.2 g’s (sustained deceleration) voluntarily.

[quote]At a standard belly-to-earth, or even back-to-earth position, an experience jumper can do a surprisingly good job of not drifting too far.”[/quote]

Capt. Kittinger dove in a standing position, due to his drogue chute.

As the sign under the entrance to the gondola says, “This is the highest step in the world.”

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By: tarteauxpommes http://www.damninteresting.com/free-fall-from-near-space/#comment-15843 tarteauxpommes Thu, 21 Jun 2007 21:15:22 +0000 http://www.damninteresting.com/?p=397#comment-15843 <p>AAAAAAAAAAAAAAHHHHHHH!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! That would freak the hell out of me.</p> AAAAAAAAAAAAAAHHHHHHH!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! That would freak the hell out of me.

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By: Wave Mechanic http://www.damninteresting.com/free-fall-from-near-space/#comment-15088 Wave Mechanic Tue, 22 May 2007 13:02:57 +0000 http://www.damninteresting.com/?p=397#comment-15088 <p>Given all the interest in Kittinger's maximum velocity and whether it exceeded the speed of sound, it's interesting to note that there's some ambiguity in the records on the web about this. </p><p> While several sites give the 614 mph value used in this article, the official USAF site at http://www.af.mil/history/person.asp?dec=&pid=123006518 states "Kittinger fell at speeds up to 714 mph, exceeding the speed of sound." This is echoed by the Stratocat site at http://stratocat.com.ar/fichas-e/1960/HMN-19600816.htm. </p><p><span class='quote'>joe said: "what ever happend to the frenchman who was to counter this record?"</span></p><p> The French parachutist Michel Fournier has a website about his plan to break Kittinger's records at http://www.legrandsaut.org/ where he indicates that he will be attempting the jump again in 2007. The August 2006 attempt was called off for financial reasons after Fournier was the victim of fraud.</p> Given all the interest in Kittinger’s maximum velocity and whether it exceeded the speed of sound, it’s interesting to note that there’s some ambiguity in the records on the web about this.

While several sites give the 614 mph value used in this article, the official USAF site at http://www.af.mil/history/person.asp?dec=&pid=123006518 states “Kittinger fell at speeds up to 714 mph, exceeding the speed of sound.” This is echoed by the Stratocat site at http://stratocat.com.ar/fichas-e/1960/HMN-19600816.htm.

joe said: “what ever happend to the frenchman who was to counter this record?”

The French parachutist Michel Fournier has a website about his plan to break Kittinger’s records at http://www.legrandsaut.org/ where he indicates that he will be attempting the jump again in 2007. The August 2006 attempt was called off for financial reasons after Fournier was the victim of fraud.

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By: joe http://www.damninteresting.com/free-fall-from-near-space/#comment-12807 joe Tue, 20 Feb 2007 06:39:02 +0000 http://www.damninteresting.com/?p=397#comment-12807 <p>what ever happend to the frenchman who was to counter this record? </p> what ever happend to the frenchman who was to counter this record?

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By: yesyouam http://www.damninteresting.com/free-fall-from-near-space/#comment-12045 yesyouam Wed, 24 Jan 2007 16:35:54 +0000 http://www.damninteresting.com/?p=397#comment-12045 <p>Oh, man. Hitting the sound barrier would have been quite a bad scene.</p> Oh, man. Hitting the sound barrier would have been quite a bad scene.

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By: LoveTheOnesYouNeed http://www.damninteresting.com/free-fall-from-near-space/#comment-9557 LoveTheOnesYouNeed Wed, 25 Oct 2006 20:00:09 +0000 http://www.damninteresting.com/?p=397#comment-9557 <p>I didn't read all of the other comments so I apologize if I'm being redundant. But if you go over to KircherSociety.org there's a video of him doing this. It's amazing stuff. </p> I didn’t read all of the other comments so I apologize if I’m being redundant. But if you go over to KircherSociety.org there’s a video of him doing this. It’s amazing stuff.

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By: Reelfar http://www.damninteresting.com/free-fall-from-near-space/#comment-9281 Reelfar Mon, 16 Oct 2006 06:46:57 +0000 http://www.damninteresting.com/?p=397#comment-9281 <p> Watching that guy step off the edge of the world took my breath away and gave me chills. He has more balls then anybody I know. What a guy.</p> Watching that guy step off the edge of the world took my breath away and gave me chills. He has more balls then anybody I know. What a guy.

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By: elifint http://www.damninteresting.com/free-fall-from-near-space/#comment-8176 elifint Thu, 24 Aug 2006 05:20:20 +0000 http://www.damninteresting.com/?p=397#comment-8176 <p><span class='quote'>cythe said: "To just dave with regards to gasses in test conditions,</span></p><p><span class='quote'>When researchers and Scientists do tests with gasses they almost always have the conditions at STP (standard temperature and pressure). Therefore, most likely the equation you posted does not consider the differences in pressure that would happen at much higher altitudes. Standard Pressure for gas is 1 atm. Or the pressure at sea level. So while I'm sure your equation is perfectly accurate at sea level and zero degrees celsius (standard temperature), it is probably wrong about what would be mach at higher altitudes. Therefore, you're right probably right about how temperature effects the speed of sound. But, density of the gas (or pressure) is the much more pressing matter outside of the laboratory and perfect STP conditions."</span></p><p>Sorry, no. The equation giving the speed of sound proportional to the square root of temperature is correct for anything that behaves to a decent approximation as an ideal gas. Dry air at any elevation works just fine. The constant of proportionality is different for different gases (depending on the molecular mass and the ratio of specific heats, sometimes called the adiabatic constant or expressed as a Gruneisen parameter; makes no difference), but for a given gas, if you know the temperature, you know the speed of sound, regardless of the density. This can be derived straight from dimensional analysis and the ideal gas law in about 2 lines; getting the gamma parameter right takes a couple more lines.</p><p>The idea that scientists almost always work with gases at STP is very odd. We use all sorts of temperatures and pressures, from microkelvin and picopascals to megakelvin and gigapascals and beyond. What's the point of having an equation that works at only ONE temperature and pressure?</p><p>The equation stops working in a number of extreme cases, for example density approaching that of a liquid or solid, or temperature high enough to cause dissociation or ionization. Otherwise, if it's much like an ideal gas, the equation is right.</p><p>Try googling "ideal gas speed of sound."</p> cythe said: “To just dave with regards to gasses in test conditions,

When researchers and Scientists do tests with gasses they almost always have the conditions at STP (standard temperature and pressure). Therefore, most likely the equation you posted does not consider the differences in pressure that would happen at much higher altitudes. Standard Pressure for gas is 1 atm. Or the pressure at sea level. So while I’m sure your equation is perfectly accurate at sea level and zero degrees celsius (standard temperature), it is probably wrong about what would be mach at higher altitudes. Therefore, you’re right probably right about how temperature effects the speed of sound. But, density of the gas (or pressure) is the much more pressing matter outside of the laboratory and perfect STP conditions.”

Sorry, no. The equation giving the speed of sound proportional to the square root of temperature is correct for anything that behaves to a decent approximation as an ideal gas. Dry air at any elevation works just fine. The constant of proportionality is different for different gases (depending on the molecular mass and the ratio of specific heats, sometimes called the adiabatic constant or expressed as a Gruneisen parameter; makes no difference), but for a given gas, if you know the temperature, you know the speed of sound, regardless of the density. This can be derived straight from dimensional analysis and the ideal gas law in about 2 lines; getting the gamma parameter right takes a couple more lines.

The idea that scientists almost always work with gases at STP is very odd. We use all sorts of temperatures and pressures, from microkelvin and picopascals to megakelvin and gigapascals and beyond. What’s the point of having an equation that works at only ONE temperature and pressure?

The equation stops working in a number of extreme cases, for example density approaching that of a liquid or solid, or temperature high enough to cause dissociation or ionization. Otherwise, if it’s much like an ideal gas, the equation is right.

Try googling “ideal gas speed of sound.”

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By: robjm http://www.damninteresting.com/free-fall-from-near-space/#comment-7913 robjm Sat, 12 Aug 2006 18:41:57 +0000 http://www.damninteresting.com/?p=397#comment-7913 <p>You can view footage of the freefall at http://www.warprecords.com/dayvancowboy/ . The musical group Boards of Canada used the footage for their music video for the song "Dayvan Cowboy."</p> You can view footage of the freefall at http://www.warprecords.com/dayvancowboy/ . The musical group Boards of Canada used the footage for their music video for the song “Dayvan Cowboy.”

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