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		<title>By: Dan Willis</title>
		<link>http://www.damninteresting.com/mediterranean-be-dammed#comment-25178</link>
		<dc:creator>Dan Willis</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 21 Aug 2009 22:53:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>What a fascinating bit of historical information.  It&#039;s good to see men of vision again.  Our collective society has become such a group of small thinkers of late, afraid of our own shadows.  The very people who would scoff at this project for its scale are the same ones who believe people exhaling is killing the planet.

Whether or not this project was feasible, it&#039;s ambition is inspiring.  We need more visionaries who aren&#039;t afraid to dream big.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>What a fascinating bit of historical information.  It&#8217;s good to see men of vision again.  Our collective society has become such a group of small thinkers of late, afraid of our own shadows.  The very people who would scoff at this project for its scale are the same ones who believe people exhaling is killing the planet.</p>
<p>Whether or not this project was feasible, it&#8217;s ambition is inspiring.  We need more visionaries who aren&#8217;t afraid to dream big.</p>
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		<title>By: AbuDhabi</title>
		<link>http://www.damninteresting.com/mediterranean-be-dammed#comment-24980</link>
		<dc:creator>AbuDhabi</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 27 Jul 2009 11:19:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>This project is totally something a Dwarf Fortress overseer would do.</description>
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		<title>By: yellowdingo</title>
		<link>http://www.damninteresting.com/mediterranean-be-dammed#comment-23918</link>
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		<pubDate>Fri, 06 Feb 2009 08:25:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Raising the MED behind dams would have kept the USA out. It would have provided consistent growth in jobs and required the development of a strong Euro-Russian-Arab Commonwealth.

The problem was the NAZI propensity to Nationalism.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Raising the MED behind dams would have kept the USA out. It would have provided consistent growth in jobs and required the development of a strong Euro-Russian-Arab Commonwealth.</p>
<p>The problem was the NAZI propensity to Nationalism.</p>
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		<title>By: Silverhill</title>
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		<dc:creator>Silverhill</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 05 Jan 2009 23:36:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[quote]sulkykid said: &quot;But that was not the plan! The plan was to lower the level of the Mediterranean. Create new land from the sea floor, etc.&quot;[/quote]Either way, there would still be a level differential between the Atlantic and Mediterranean.  That differential could be used to drive turbines.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[quote]sulkykid said: &#8220;But that was not the plan! The plan was to lower the level of the Mediterranean. Create new land from the sea floor, etc.&#8221;[/quote]Either way, there would still be a level differential between the Atlantic and Mediterranean.  That differential could be used to drive turbines.</p>
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		<title>By: Suchros</title>
		<link>http://www.damninteresting.com/mediterranean-be-dammed#comment-23650</link>
		<dc:creator>Suchros</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 04 Jan 2009 18:43:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I missed too how much evaporation would occur. I&#039;ll dig into sources later I guess :) 

I did not check the calculations etc - how much water would actually pass the dams as waterpower. I guess even the &quot;making sahara green&quot;-part would come in this lowering of waterlevel. Nor did I check if the desalination would be done at the dam (a little bit lower saline concentration to the sea).

Taking water off, desalinating and making large hydroponic farms (or irrigation) to sahara along with organic waste transferred to &quot;sandier parts of sahara&quot; to make farmland. Of course these would turn more sahara greener, add rainfall etc but as stated, none can be calculated (yet, at least).

Of course I might have misinterpreted the glance I saw about green sahara below Tunisia and thought the plan was like 6-year-old&#039;s daydream. I didn&#039;t think... so.

On a more urgent note: anyhow please please do not freeze me (don&#039;t use those gulf-currents for energy, we need them here in the north!).</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I missed too how much evaporation would occur. I&#8217;ll dig into sources later I guess :) </p>
<p>I did not check the calculations etc &#8211; how much water would actually pass the dams as waterpower. I guess even the &#8220;making sahara green&#8221;-part would come in this lowering of waterlevel. Nor did I check if the desalination would be done at the dam (a little bit lower saline concentration to the sea).</p>
<p>Taking water off, desalinating and making large hydroponic farms (or irrigation) to sahara along with organic waste transferred to &#8220;sandier parts of sahara&#8221; to make farmland. Of course these would turn more sahara greener, add rainfall etc but as stated, none can be calculated (yet, at least).</p>
<p>Of course I might have misinterpreted the glance I saw about green sahara below Tunisia and thought the plan was like 6-year-old&#8217;s daydream. I didn&#8217;t think&#8230; so.</p>
<p>On a more urgent note: anyhow please please do not freeze me (don&#8217;t use those gulf-currents for energy, we need them here in the north!).</p>
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		<title>By: sulkykid</title>
		<link>http://www.damninteresting.com/mediterranean-be-dammed#comment-23475</link>
		<dc:creator>sulkykid</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 06 Dec 2008 03:45:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>But that was not the plan!  The plan was to lower the level of the Mediterranean.  Create new land from the sea floor, etc.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>But that was not the plan!  The plan was to lower the level of the Mediterranean.  Create new land from the sea floor, etc.</p>
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		<title>By: Radiatidon</title>
		<link>http://www.damninteresting.com/mediterranean-be-dammed#comment-23443</link>
		<dc:creator>Radiatidon</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 01 Dec 2008 20:35:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[quote]sulkykid said: &quot;(Sorry for the lateness of this post.)

Does no one see that this could not work?  The Med. is at sea level, there is no where for the water to flow to once this dam is built.  That&#039;s why the Suez Canal has no locks.  Sea level is the base level for all water flow on this planet.[/quote]

By blocking all the outflows from the Mediterranean you would create a basin which would continue to fill from all the various rivers and such flowing into it.  This would increase the water volume in the Med raising it above sea level.  The same principal used to create dams on rivers applies here.  The only difference is the scale and multiple dams for the Med vs a single dam for a river.

Remember that the reason for the dam(s) is to restrict the flow of water and creating a reservoir that can be controlled and used at will.  Thus the controlled outflow of the Med&#039;s water at the dams would turn the turbines for power generation.

On a side-note: One system under review for sea generated power uses two floats, one positioned over the other, with a piston situated between.  The natural wave motion moves the floats causing the piston to pump water up a pipe.  This water is stored in a reservoir situated on a hill, where it is released to turn a generator.  Basically a natural, no emissions power generation plant.

The other system, which is in use now, uses excess grid power, wind power, or solar to pump water up a hill to a reservoir which is then released turning turbines for power generation.

The Don.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[quote]sulkykid said: &#8220;(Sorry for the lateness of this post.)</p>
<p>Does no one see that this could not work?  The Med. is at sea level, there is no where for the water to flow to once this dam is built.  That&#8217;s why the Suez Canal has no locks.  Sea level is the base level for all water flow on this planet.[/quote]</p>
<p>By blocking all the outflows from the Mediterranean you would create a basin which would continue to fill from all the various rivers and such flowing into it.  This would increase the water volume in the Med raising it above sea level.  The same principal used to create dams on rivers applies here.  The only difference is the scale and multiple dams for the Med vs a single dam for a river.</p>
<p>Remember that the reason for the dam(s) is to restrict the flow of water and creating a reservoir that can be controlled and used at will.  Thus the controlled outflow of the Med&#8217;s water at the dams would turn the turbines for power generation.</p>
<p>On a side-note: One system under review for sea generated power uses two floats, one positioned over the other, with a piston situated between.  The natural wave motion moves the floats causing the piston to pump water up a pipe.  This water is stored in a reservoir situated on a hill, where it is released to turn a generator.  Basically a natural, no emissions power generation plant.</p>
<p>The other system, which is in use now, uses excess grid power, wind power, or solar to pump water up a hill to a reservoir which is then released turning turbines for power generation.</p>
<p>The Don.</p>
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		<title>By: sulkykid</title>
		<link>http://www.damninteresting.com/mediterranean-be-dammed#comment-23439</link>
		<dc:creator>sulkykid</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 01 Dec 2008 16:25:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>(Sorry for the lateness of this post.)

Does no one see that this could not work?  The Med. is at sea level, there is no where for the water to flow to once this dam is built.  That&#039;s why the Suez Canal has no locks.  Sea level is the base level for all water flow on this planet.  Or is there a hole in the bottom of the sea?   Huge pumping stations could theoretically lower the level, but they would use all of the hydroelectric power and more.  (Or was this supposed to be something like a grand scale perpetual motion machine?)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>(Sorry for the lateness of this post.)</p>
<p>Does no one see that this could not work?  The Med. is at sea level, there is no where for the water to flow to once this dam is built.  That&#8217;s why the Suez Canal has no locks.  Sea level is the base level for all water flow on this planet.  Or is there a hole in the bottom of the sea?   Huge pumping stations could theoretically lower the level, but they would use all of the hydroelectric power and more.  (Or was this supposed to be something like a grand scale perpetual motion machine?)</p>
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