Comments on: Quantum Mechanics and Immortality http://www.damninteresting.com/quantum-mechanics-and-immortality/ A collection of legitimately fascinating information culled from the past, present, and anticipated future. Tue, 22 May 2012 01:30:14 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.3.2 By: Thought provoking http://www.damninteresting.com/quantum-mechanics-and-immortality/#comment-26456 Thought provoking Sat, 02 Apr 2011 21:37:46 +0000 http://www.damninteresting.com/?p=212#comment-26456 conscious * In another universe I spelt it correctly. Although this random error is unlikely to produce an extreme alternate universe the time it's taken to write this correction has altered my timing. I better be careful crossing the road tomorrow! conscious *

In another universe I spelt it correctly.

Although this random error is unlikely to produce an extreme alternate universe the time it’s taken to write this correction has altered my timing. I better be careful crossing the road tomorrow!

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By: Thought provoking http://www.damninteresting.com/quantum-mechanics-and-immortality/#comment-26455 Thought provoking Sat, 02 Apr 2011 21:34:44 +0000 http://www.damninteresting.com/?p=212#comment-26455 So many arguments.... this is possibly the most interesting discussion I have ever followed. The crucial point I take from all of this is that nothing exists until it is measured (or something like that). If that is the case then we are all prisoners in our own heads for something can only be measured if we are conmscious of it. Reality is what we percieve it to be then, yes? Thus we all have our own unique universe, different to all others - there's a paradox there somewhere I'm sure. I'm so confused and yet amazed all at once. So many arguments…. this is possibly the most interesting discussion I have ever followed.

The crucial point I take from all of this is that nothing exists until it is measured (or something like that). If that is the case then we are all prisoners in our own heads for something can only be measured if we are conmscious of it. Reality is what we percieve it to be then, yes? Thus we all have our own unique universe, different to all others – there’s a paradox there somewhere I’m sure.

I’m so confused and yet amazed all at once.

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By: Alucin Veritas http://www.damninteresting.com/quantum-mechanics-and-immortality/#comment-25584 Alucin Veritas Sat, 26 Dec 2009 07:08:53 +0000 http://www.damninteresting.com/?p=212#comment-25584 I'd place my vote that all of the above is wrong. Most of it hinges on the assumption that true randomness is possible. Cause & effect have no inherent scale, so it should not stop working on the basic levels of reality. That means every action has a preceding cause that determines the action. Since the action was determined based on preceding events, it wasn't truly random. Any apparent randomness could easily be due to unknown or misapplied variables. Granted, electromagnetism may not exist on the quantum level, but a crane does not exist on the chemical. The building blocks exist, but within the scope of the level they do not form into a single dynamic identity. As for MWI, it may be that alternate dimensions exist but if every action is predetermined by cause and effect they wouldn't be parallel but rather divergent from the origin. As for "miraculous survival", I wouldn't bet my life on it. My understanding of quantum physics suggests it's not worth understanding. I’d place my vote that all of the above is wrong. Most of it hinges on the assumption that true randomness is possible. Cause & effect have no inherent scale, so it should not stop working on the basic levels of reality. That means every action has a preceding cause that determines the action. Since the action was determined based on preceding events, it wasn’t truly random. Any apparent randomness could easily be due to unknown or misapplied variables. Granted, electromagnetism may not exist on the quantum level, but a crane does not exist on the chemical. The building blocks exist, but within the scope of the level they do not form into a single dynamic identity.

As for MWI, it may be that alternate dimensions exist but if every action is predetermined by cause and effect they wouldn’t be parallel but rather divergent from the origin. As for “miraculous survival”, I wouldn’t bet my life on it.

My understanding of quantum physics suggests it’s not worth understanding.

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By: Brambleleaf http://www.damninteresting.com/quantum-mechanics-and-immortality/#comment-25432 Brambleleaf Tue, 20 Oct 2009 12:17:30 +0000 http://www.damninteresting.com/?p=212#comment-25432 I may be wrong but i thought that at quantum levels a particle had more than two states, wouldn't this imply that the gun fires yes, no model wasn't accurate. Should it not be yes no maybe maybe not etc, this would give you many more variations than dead not dead including maimed slightly injured etc. On another level i have just been told that some senior scientist at the Hadron collider experiment thinks it won't work because it doesn'y want to, if it carrys on not wanting do does that mean that in universes where it did work it had catastophic consequences, and does this make it a practical experiment of schrodingers cat theory. I may be wrong but i thought that at quantum levels a particle had more than two states, wouldn’t this imply that the gun fires yes, no model wasn’t accurate. Should it not be yes no maybe maybe not etc, this would give you many more variations than dead not dead including maimed slightly injured etc.
On another level i have just been told that some senior scientist at the Hadron collider experiment thinks it won’t work because it doesn’y want to, if it carrys on not wanting do does that mean that in universes where
it did work it had catastophic consequences, and does this make it a practical experiment of schrodingers cat theory.

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By: Rodger Wrighthead http://www.damninteresting.com/quantum-mechanics-and-immortality/#comment-25010 Rodger Wrighthead Tue, 28 Jul 2009 10:04:21 +0000 http://www.damninteresting.com/?p=212#comment-25010 p.s.s. damninterseting.com isn't as interesting as damninteresting.com. Dyslexia wins again! p.s.s. damninterseting.com isn’t as interesting as damninteresting.com.
Dyslexia wins again!

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By: Rodger Wrighthead http://www.damninteresting.com/quantum-mechanics-and-immortality/#comment-24938 Rodger Wrighthead Thu, 23 Jul 2009 14:00:13 +0000 http://www.damninteresting.com/?p=212#comment-24938 p.s. damninterseting.com is damn interesting... p.s. damninterseting.com is damn interesting…

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By: Rodger Wrighthead http://www.damninteresting.com/quantum-mechanics-and-immortality/#comment-24937 Rodger Wrighthead Thu, 23 Jul 2009 13:57:19 +0000 http://www.damninteresting.com/?p=212#comment-24937 Shouldn't the title to this technically be "Quantum Mechanics and Invulnerability". Not as cool sounding, but more accurate if I have understood Quantum Mechanics correctly... Shouldn’t the title to this technically be “Quantum Mechanics and Invulnerability”.

Not as cool sounding, but more accurate if I have understood Quantum Mechanics correctly…

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By: Dugg http://www.damninteresting.com/quantum-mechanics-and-immortality/#comment-23878 Dugg Thu, 29 Jan 2009 16:44:37 +0000 http://www.damninteresting.com/?p=212#comment-23878 How wonderful to find this article and comments! It occurred to me years ago that immortality is implicit in the MWI interpretation of quantum physics. According to the MWI, every decision one makes results in every possible outcome, no matter how improbable. In the famous 'gun to the head' scenario, the instant the trigger is pulled a multitude of new universes is generated, in some you are killed instantly, these universes cease to exist since the universe is entirely subjective and with no observer there can be no observed. No matter how unlikely, there exists a slight chance that the gun will misfire, or the bullet is a dud, or you have lousy aim and you miss, or the bullet bounces harmlessly off your thick skull, perhaps there's even a chance that the bullet evaporates into thin air before reaching your head. The point is: THESE are the universes you find yourself in, because you are there to observe them. Of course we are all immortal, because everytime there is a chance you will die there is also a chance you will live, both outcomes do occur, in countless variations, but you dont have to worry about finding yourself in a universe in which you died because obviously you won't be there! An earlier commenter brought up the subject of free will. If every single decision you make is decided in every conceivable fashion, does free will even exist ? Yes! The choice you make determines which universe you are in. We need to make good informed decisions to insure that we are living in the best possible universe. To wrap this up, Quantum Immortality is REAL! I know this first-hand. I performed the gun to the head experiment a few years ago. My choice was a 12-gage shotgun. No, the gun didn't misfire and no I didn't miss. I was rushed to the hospital where the doctors said I had a less than 1 in 100 chance of surviving the first hour. So obviously there are hundreds of universes in the multiverse in which family and friends mourned my passing, this is their reality, but for me these universes can't exist because I'M NOT THERE to experience them. The doctors, nurses and hospital staff who released me after almost a year of multiple surgeries and intensive rehabilitation claim that my surviving this incident was a miracle. To them it may be a miracle, but to me it just seems highly improbable. Of course I survived, of course I'm here because where else could I possibly be ? How wonderful to find this article and comments! It occurred to me years ago that immortality is implicit in the MWI interpretation of quantum physics. According to the MWI, every decision one makes results in every possible outcome, no matter how improbable.

In the famous ‘gun to the head’ scenario, the instant the trigger is pulled a multitude of new universes is generated, in some you are killed instantly, these universes cease to exist since the universe is entirely subjective and with no observer there can be no observed. No matter how unlikely, there exists a slight chance that the gun will misfire, or the bullet is a dud, or you have lousy aim and you miss, or the bullet bounces harmlessly off your thick skull, perhaps there’s even a chance that the bullet evaporates into thin air before reaching your head. The point is: THESE are the universes you find yourself in, because you are there to observe them.

Of course we are all immortal, because everytime there is a chance you will die there is also a chance you will live, both outcomes do occur, in countless variations, but you dont have to worry about finding yourself in a universe in which you died because obviously you won’t be there!

An earlier commenter brought up the subject of free will. If every single decision you make is decided in every conceivable fashion, does free will even exist ? Yes! The choice you make determines which universe you are in. We need to make good informed decisions to insure that we are living in the best possible universe.

To wrap this up, Quantum Immortality is REAL! I know this first-hand. I performed the gun to the head experiment a few years ago. My choice was a 12-gage shotgun. No, the gun didn’t misfire and no I didn’t miss. I was rushed to the hospital where the doctors said I had a less than 1 in 100 chance of surviving the first hour. So obviously there are hundreds of universes in the multiverse in which family and friends mourned my passing, this is their reality, but for me these universes can’t exist because I’M NOT THERE to experience them.

The doctors, nurses and hospital staff who released me after almost a year of multiple surgeries and intensive rehabilitation claim that my surviving this incident was a miracle. To them it may be a miracle, but to me it just seems highly improbable.
Of course I survived, of course I’m here because where else could I possibly be ?

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By: ValiantDefender http://www.damninteresting.com/quantum-mechanics-and-immortality/#comment-23753 ValiantDefender Thu, 15 Jan 2009 18:08:02 +0000 http://www.damninteresting.com/?p=212#comment-23753 I love quantum mechanics. I'm LDS/Chrisitan/Mormon whichever one you want to use as a description. Religion/Christianity has long predicted the existance of mutliple dimensions (although we never called them dimensions) states of being and such. Some commenter's statements, if true, would demand the existence of a person who, by the laws of infinite probability, had arrived at all knowledge and is able to manipulate things at a quantum level. This being could read all possible outcomes simultaneously and slip between all possibilities at will...thus making them all knowing and all powerful. I would venture to say that based on what we know of this being and what we know if this earth, that He has set the parameters to make our existence to be exactly as he wanted it to be so that we perceive what we do (rather than the other infinite possibilities that quantum mechanics describes as possible) to fulfill a certain purpose. This existance is perfect to accomplish the task for which it was constructed. "To prove them herewith to see if they will do all that I, the Lord, do command them" By staying out of our dimension but communicating to a few of us directly (prophets) he makes his will known. His will, generally speaking, is that we be kind, loving, wise stewards over this planet and all its inhabitants (animals etc). The purpose would be to see what we will do with our advanced state (having been previously only capable of existing in a spiritual realm/dimension but desiring to be more like Father). So, he watches to see how we behave "when dad isn't around" and when its all said and done...to some of us he'll give all the knowledge he has. This would include understanding of quantum mechanics (and beyond because I'm sure there are many things to learn beyond what we have just barely begun to observe). None of this is Doctrine, btw. This is all my conjecture of how science and religion mesh. See, if the point of this life is to follow the example of Christ and be "love" etc, then knowing HOW the world works isn't really part of the test. It isn't required to know and understand. All we need to know is that God is there and that he created it...how is something we'll learn if take our time here and use it well. I like to think of it as a nuclear scienetist teachign a bunch of kids. The scienetist knows that the knowledge can be used to generate vast amounts of power which could be harnassed for good purposes or very destructive purposes...therefore, hes not going to give the knowledge to the kid in the back row who is misbehaving. If you want a military parable, we're trying to pass our security clearance exam right now... :D ANyway string theory, quantum mechanics, etc etc are ALL DI. My closing statement is the same in all Religionn vs Science debates (which seem inevitible for some people). If a scientist came to all knowledge of how things worked and a Disciple of Christ came to all knowledge of how God created the universe, they would both have learned the same things. I love quantum mechanics.
I’m LDS/Chrisitan/Mormon whichever one you want to use as a description.

Religion/Christianity has long predicted the existance of mutliple dimensions (although we never called them dimensions) states of being and such.

Some commenter’s statements, if true, would demand the existence of a person who, by the laws of infinite probability, had arrived at all knowledge and is able to manipulate things at a quantum level. This being could read all possible outcomes simultaneously and slip between all possibilities at will…thus making them all knowing and all powerful.

I would venture to say that based on what we know of this being and what we know if this earth, that He has set the parameters to make our existence to be exactly as he wanted it to be so that we perceive what we do (rather than the other infinite possibilities that quantum mechanics describes as possible) to fulfill a certain purpose. This existance is perfect to accomplish the task for which it was constructed. “To prove them herewith to see if they will do all that I, the Lord, do command them”

By staying out of our dimension but communicating to a few of us directly (prophets) he makes his will known. His will, generally speaking, is that we be kind, loving, wise stewards over this planet and all its inhabitants (animals etc).

The purpose would be to see what we will do with our advanced state (having been previously only capable of existing in a spiritual realm/dimension but desiring to be more like Father). So, he watches to see how we behave “when dad isn’t around” and when its all said and done…to some of us he’ll give all the knowledge he has. This would include understanding of quantum mechanics (and beyond because I’m sure there are many things to learn beyond what we have just barely begun to observe).

None of this is Doctrine, btw. This is all my conjecture of how science and religion mesh.

See, if the point of this life is to follow the example of Christ and be “love” etc, then knowing HOW the world works isn’t really part of the test. It isn’t required to know and understand. All we need to know is that God is there and that he created it…how is something we’ll learn if take our time here and use it well.

I like to think of it as a nuclear scienetist teachign a bunch of kids. The scienetist knows that the knowledge can be used to generate vast amounts of power which could be harnassed for good purposes or very destructive purposes…therefore, hes not going to give the knowledge to the kid in the back row who is misbehaving. If you want a military parable, we’re trying to pass our security clearance exam right now… :D

ANyway string theory, quantum mechanics, etc etc are ALL DI.

My closing statement is the same in all Religionn vs Science debates (which seem inevitible for some people).
If a scientist came to all knowledge of how things worked and a Disciple of Christ came to all knowledge of how God created the universe, they would both have learned the same things.

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By: stholas http://www.damninteresting.com/quantum-mechanics-and-immortality/#comment-23626 stholas Wed, 31 Dec 2008 18:31:23 +0000 http://www.damninteresting.com/?p=212#comment-23626 As always, everyone's wrong. I am God, I am the immortal, and you're all living in my universe. Get out. As always, everyone’s wrong. I am God, I am the immortal, and you’re all living in my universe. Get out.

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