Comments on: Sympathy for the Devil http://www.damninteresting.com/sympathy-for-the-devil/ A collection of legitimately fascinating information culled from the past, present, and anticipated future. Tue, 22 May 2012 01:30:14 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.3.2 By: Watcher http://www.damninteresting.com/sympathy-for-the-devil/#comment-20755 Watcher Sat, 29 Mar 2008 16:08:26 +0000 http://www.damninteresting.com/?p=840#comment-20755 A little monkey in the works. Any thoughts on whether this might also be how dogma and religion work? Submit or suffer eternal damnation.. We've discussed military indoctrination, why not faith? And before anyone condemns me to to Inquisition I believe strongly in God. I only lack conviction in organised religion. A little monkey in the works. Any thoughts on whether this might also be how dogma and religion work? Submit or suffer eternal damnation.. We’ve discussed military indoctrination, why not faith? And before anyone condemns me to to Inquisition I believe strongly in God. I only lack conviction in organised religion.

]]> By: MiladyM http://www.damninteresting.com/sympathy-for-the-devil/#comment-16722 MiladyM Wed, 08 Aug 2007 14:27:06 +0000 http://www.damninteresting.com/?p=840#comment-16722 <p><span class='quote'>Floj said: "Wow that's Damn Interesting! It's amazing how people will chnge in extreme environments like being held prisoner by a captor. I like how you propose that taking such action could be a survival instinct. As for Shaw, it kind of reminds me of Frankenstein by Mary Shelly. Good book. The monster only saw hate so he only knew hate. He spent all of his time in isolation cause everyone he came in contact with either ran or tried to kill him. It was interesting how the doctor created a monster not by giving it life, but by showing it pure hatred and rejection. Interesting premise. Perhaps, it was Mary Shelly's analysis on human tendencies, and not a horror story. Prhaps…</span></p><p><span class='quote'>Oh! That title remindes me of Cowboy Bebop. Good show. Interesting episode. Like pie."</span></p><p>They do Not like being held captive... Scared to death more like it. If you are abused enough, if you do not go insane, then your mind lives in fear of what I call the "What if'" Syndrome . " "What if"...I tell someone about this person , they said they would kill me..... "What if"... I try to run and they kill my children or Mom and Dad.........</p><p>I know how these people think. I was a victim of abuse from both of my parents as a child. I tried many times to tell my teachers, friends and even a police officer AND a Therapist... ..My teachers told me basically if I was a better child, I wouldn't be beat. My friends were like..wow! The police man whom found me passed out from a suicide attempt said to me and I quote " Well maybe if you followed your parents directions , you wouldn't have your ass beat."! The Therapist whom I was seeing because I was in placed in the mental ward of the Hospital for trying to kill myself ( I had just turned 13) .. asked me if I wanted to go into a Foster home because of the abuse . I begged him to put me in one." The next day I was released to my PARENTS!....After a while you give up and no longer trust people any more.</p> Floj said: “Wow that’s Damn Interesting! It’s amazing how people will chnge in extreme environments like being held prisoner by a captor. I like how you propose that taking such action could be a survival instinct. As for Shaw, it kind of reminds me of Frankenstein by Mary Shelly. Good book. The monster only saw hate so he only knew hate. He spent all of his time in isolation cause everyone he came in contact with either ran or tried to kill him. It was interesting how the doctor created a monster not by giving it life, but by showing it pure hatred and rejection. Interesting premise. Perhaps, it was Mary Shelly’s analysis on human tendencies, and not a horror story. Prhaps…

Oh! That title remindes me of Cowboy Bebop. Good show. Interesting episode. Like pie.”

They do Not like being held captive… Scared to death more like it. If you are abused enough, if you do not go insane, then your mind lives in fear of what I call the “What if’” Syndrome . ” “What if”…I tell someone about this person , they said they would kill me….. “What if”… I try to run and they kill my children or Mom and Dad………

I know how these people think. I was a victim of abuse from both of my parents as a child. I tried many times to tell my teachers, friends and even a police officer AND a Therapist… ..My teachers told me basically if I was a better child, I wouldn’t be beat. My friends were like..wow!
The police man whom found me passed out from a suicide attempt said to me and I quote ” Well maybe if you followed your parents directions , you wouldn’t have your ass beat.”!
The Therapist whom I was seeing because I was in placed in the mental ward of the Hospital for trying to kill myself ( I had just turned 13) .. asked me if I wanted to go into a Foster home because of the abuse . I begged him to put me in one.” The next day I was released to my PARENTS!….After a while you give up and no longer trust people any more.

]]> By: penguinlove http://www.damninteresting.com/sympathy-for-the-devil/#comment-15282 penguinlove Tue, 29 May 2007 14:50:20 +0000 http://www.damninteresting.com/?p=840#comment-15282 <p>The penguins are coming!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!</p> The penguins are coming!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

]]> By: spitshine http://www.damninteresting.com/sympathy-for-the-devil/#comment-15035 spitshine Sat, 19 May 2007 19:57:17 +0000 http://www.damninteresting.com/?p=840#comment-15035 <p>That's definitely a scary thought and yet it hits close to home. If there is a way of survival I think everyone would follow the person that is torturing you whether you choose that path or are forced into that situation. I really liked this article; I heard about Stockholm syndrome and really wondered what it was all about.</p> That’s definitely a scary thought and yet it hits close to home. If there is a way of survival I think everyone would follow the person that is torturing you whether you choose that path or are forced into that situation. I really liked this article; I heard about Stockholm syndrome and really wondered what it was all about.

]]> By: been there done that http://www.damninteresting.com/sympathy-for-the-devil/#comment-14995 been there done that Thu, 17 May 2007 19:22:54 +0000 http://www.damninteresting.com/?p=840#comment-14995 <p>yep it's easy to be turned over to the darkside. you are taken from what you know, sleep deprived, food deprived, deprived of everything but what your captor/s say. you are usually sexually, emotionally and physically abused. they become your only connection to the world and you become dependent on them. they become your lifeline and you begin to believe in them because if you don't you fear they will kill you. you would even protect them with your own life if they are threatened. </p><p> brainwashing is powerful and doesn't happen to only the weak. been there done that and survived.</p> yep it’s easy to be turned over to the darkside. you are taken from what you know, sleep deprived, food deprived, deprived of everything but what your captor/s say. you are usually sexually, emotionally and physically abused. they become your only connection to the world and you become dependent on them. they become your lifeline and you begin to believe in them because if you don’t you fear they will kill you. you would even protect them with your own life if they are threatened.

brainwashing is powerful and doesn’t happen to only the weak.

been there done that and survived.

]]> By: Freet http://www.damninteresting.com/sympathy-for-the-devil/#comment-14953 Freet Wed, 16 May 2007 18:30:09 +0000 http://www.damninteresting.com/?p=840#comment-14953 <p>Thanks for playing gush. </p><p> Anywho....As was mentioned by several in their replies, One really doesn't have a clue how one would react to stimuli unless one is subjected to it. For expample, a drop of water hitting your forhead isn't terribly unpleasant but, from what I understand anyway, a very effective torture technique involves nothing more than this. Water repeatedly dropped on the forhead. So who is to say how or to what extent any stimulae, be it physical or mental, might effect a persons ability to perceive right from wrong? While I would like to think that I could not be persuaded to completely alter my moral standards, I can't honestly say that I could not be convinced that black is white if I were correctly manipulated. Was Patty Hurst a puppet or a willing participant? I honestly don't know. The thing is, most likely, neither do any of you. </p> Thanks for playing gush.

Anywho….As was mentioned by several in their replies, One really doesn’t have a clue how one would react to stimuli unless one is subjected to it. For expample, a drop of water hitting your forhead isn’t terribly unpleasant but, from what I understand anyway, a very effective torture technique involves nothing more than this. Water repeatedly dropped on the forhead.

So who is to say how or to what extent any stimulae, be it physical or mental, might effect a persons ability to perceive right from wrong? While I would like to think that I could not be persuaded to completely alter my moral standards, I can’t honestly say that I could not be convinced that black is white if I were correctly manipulated.

Was Patty Hurst a puppet or a willing participant? I honestly don’t know. The thing is, most likely, neither do any of you.

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]]> By: KJK::Hyperion http://www.damninteresting.com/sympathy-for-the-devil/#comment-14648 KJK::Hyperion Tue, 08 May 2007 00:18:55 +0000 http://www.damninteresting.com/?p=840#comment-14648 <p><span class='quote'>Stead311 said: "Something like this seems so hard to believe. How can abuse overpower your desire for freedom?! I wonder if this has any relevance to slavery and its possible implications. Slaves were victims of many kinds of torture, but perhaps their co-captives were a sense of relief and a dose of common sense. I would be interested in hearing anyones opinion on this."</span></p><p> Simple: you'd just overrationalize your present condition, to the point of seeing right through it, and misdirect your desire of freedom elsewhere, possibly somewhere way more frivolous. I'll bet you anything our grand-grandchildren, generations from now, will hardly believe how could we put up with so much control in our daily lives and still call ourselves "free"</p> Stead311 said: “Something like this seems so hard to believe. How can abuse overpower your desire for freedom?! I wonder if this has any relevance to slavery and its possible implications. Slaves were victims of many kinds of torture, but perhaps their co-captives were a sense of relief and a dose of common sense. I would be interested in hearing anyones opinion on this.”

Simple: you’d just overrationalize your present condition, to the point of seeing right through it, and misdirect your desire of freedom elsewhere, possibly somewhere way more frivolous. I’ll bet you anything our grand-grandchildren, generations from now, will hardly believe how could we put up with so much control in our daily lives and still call ourselves “free”

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