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		<title>By: Mirage_GSM</title>
		<link>http://www.damninteresting.com/the-gravity-express#comment-24511</link>
		<dc:creator>Mirage_GSM</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 18 May 2009 14:29:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Either of your suggested &quot;chords&quot;, while not touching the earth&#039;s core directly, will penetrate deep into the earths Mantle, which begins only 35 km beneath the surface.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Structure_of_the_Earth
Down there we have temperatures between 500 and 900°C and pressures above 1 million atmospheres. I find it hard to imagine that the energy needed to build and maintain a tunnel through THAT will be offset by the poential savings in transportation costs.
Also I believe that we&#039;ll see the first few Space Elevators long before such a project will even be technologically feasible for us.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Either of your suggested &#8220;chords&#8221;, while not touching the earth&#8217;s core directly, will penetrate deep into the earths Mantle, which begins only 35 km beneath the surface.<br />
<a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Structure_of_the_Earth" rel="nofollow">http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Structure_of_the_Earth</a><br />
Down there we have temperatures between 500 and 900°C and pressures above 1 million atmospheres. I find it hard to imagine that the energy needed to build and maintain a tunnel through THAT will be offset by the poential savings in transportation costs.<br />
Also I believe that we&#8217;ll see the first few Space Elevators long before such a project will even be technologically feasible for us.</p>
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		<title>By: ar.bittookumar</title>
		<link>http://www.damninteresting.com/the-gravity-express#comment-24509</link>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 18 May 2009 12:59:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Yeah, well it will not be then that easy that it will be a theorotical friction less travel, some kind of energy.....electromagnetic may be required to push and pull the train.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Yeah, well it will not be then that easy that it will be a theorotical friction less travel, some kind of energy&#8230;..electromagnetic may be required to push and pull the train.</p>
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		<title>By: ar.bittookumar</title>
		<link>http://www.damninteresting.com/the-gravity-express#comment-24508</link>
		<dc:creator>ar.bittookumar</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 18 May 2009 10:56:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I seriously believe that the concept of gravity trains is possible. All have already talked a lot about physics, I need not add volumes to it. However, I think there can be an altogether different approach to the gravity trains.

We have been discussing till now that we need to dig deep straight, reach the earth crust and come up exactly upwards on the opposite direction. Say, the Newzealand and Spain example which are geographically the opposite and straight if we travel through earth&#039;s core.
But what if we never think of reaching the earth core and travel rather shorter distances. All&#039;s well, the gravitaional force, the air pressure, the frictional forces come into much consideration when we have to ACTUALLY REACH THE EARTH&#039;S CORE.

WHAT IS WE NEVER REACH THE EARTH&#039;S CORE? Imagine a circle, rather than a sphere for a moment. Uptil now we have been talking about travelling as a diameter of a circle thus we reach the two extreme points of the circle. What if we consider different chords of the circle and travel from one point of the circle and reach another, much closer point not reaching the core. This will leave us of some considerations of physics be it the gravitional forces, etc.

Naturally, the gravitational force acting at the earth&#039;s core is the maximum so we never need to consider the extreme force. Imagine a place China, if we go straight, we will land on Argentina on the other side, but we are passing the core in this way. Instead, imagine travelling from China to North America, that will make a chord in the circle have shorter distance.

Now imagine going from North America in a different tunnel straight, this will open somewhere in the Indian Ocean. Rather, imagine going to Australia from North America, this will make the 2nd chord of the circle. Now imagine the 3rd chord from Australia to China, short distance thought but just for the sake of connecting places.

If you imagine these THREE CHORDS inside earth&#039;s sphere, you will come to realize that none of these have actualled travelled throught the earth&#039;s core. I am no man of physics but I am sure this will create less troublesome gravity train routes, some which we might believe to be true.

Once a 15th century man thought that we might one day land on moon. People laughed at him, but our great great grand fathers and forefathers never thought we would one day be using cell phones.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I seriously believe that the concept of gravity trains is possible. All have already talked a lot about physics, I need not add volumes to it. However, I think there can be an altogether different approach to the gravity trains.</p>
<p>We have been discussing till now that we need to dig deep straight, reach the earth crust and come up exactly upwards on the opposite direction. Say, the Newzealand and Spain example which are geographically the opposite and straight if we travel through earth&#8217;s core.<br />
But what if we never think of reaching the earth core and travel rather shorter distances. All&#8217;s well, the gravitaional force, the air pressure, the frictional forces come into much consideration when we have to ACTUALLY REACH THE EARTH&#8217;S CORE.</p>
<p>WHAT IS WE NEVER REACH THE EARTH&#8217;S CORE? Imagine a circle, rather than a sphere for a moment. Uptil now we have been talking about travelling as a diameter of a circle thus we reach the two extreme points of the circle. What if we consider different chords of the circle and travel from one point of the circle and reach another, much closer point not reaching the core. This will leave us of some considerations of physics be it the gravitional forces, etc.</p>
<p>Naturally, the gravitational force acting at the earth&#8217;s core is the maximum so we never need to consider the extreme force. Imagine a place China, if we go straight, we will land on Argentina on the other side, but we are passing the core in this way. Instead, imagine travelling from China to North America, that will make a chord in the circle have shorter distance.</p>
<p>Now imagine going from North America in a different tunnel straight, this will open somewhere in the Indian Ocean. Rather, imagine going to Australia from North America, this will make the 2nd chord of the circle. Now imagine the 3rd chord from Australia to China, short distance thought but just for the sake of connecting places.</p>
<p>If you imagine these THREE CHORDS inside earth&#8217;s sphere, you will come to realize that none of these have actualled travelled throught the earth&#8217;s core. I am no man of physics but I am sure this will create less troublesome gravity train routes, some which we might believe to be true.</p>
<p>Once a 15th century man thought that we might one day land on moon. People laughed at him, but our great great grand fathers and forefathers never thought we would one day be using cell phones.</p>
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		<title>By: Chazzychuckles</title>
		<link>http://www.damninteresting.com/the-gravity-express#comment-20602</link>
		<dc:creator>Chazzychuckles</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 20 Mar 2008 05:53:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Ok lets say there was a tunnel through the earth couldn&#039;t we just use geothermal energy to convert something like water to steam and use the pressure to counteract the forces of  friction and possibly even get there faster than 42 minutes?  I hold no degrees in this, but it seems to me that such a temperature difference could more than propel a vehicle from point A to B  regardless how deep the tunnel is cut as long as it hot enough underground and cool enough at surface.  

It also occurred to me that rather than using magnets and/or electromagnets to reduce friction just use a cushion of gas.  If i remember correctly heat can destroy magnets by rearranging the atoms but don&#039;t quote me on that.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Ok lets say there was a tunnel through the earth couldn&#8217;t we just use geothermal energy to convert something like water to steam and use the pressure to counteract the forces of  friction and possibly even get there faster than 42 minutes?  I hold no degrees in this, but it seems to me that such a temperature difference could more than propel a vehicle from point A to B  regardless how deep the tunnel is cut as long as it hot enough underground and cool enough at surface.  </p>
<p>It also occurred to me that rather than using magnets and/or electromagnets to reduce friction just use a cushion of gas.  If i remember correctly heat can destroy magnets by rearranging the atoms but don&#8217;t quote me on that.</p>
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		<title>By: indigo-angel</title>
		<link>http://www.damninteresting.com/the-gravity-express#comment-18420</link>
		<dc:creator>indigo-angel</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 16 Nov 2007 05:00:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Essentially impossible on earth, but one hell of a cool idea.</description>
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		<title>By: kenfo</title>
		<link>http://www.damninteresting.com/the-gravity-express#comment-13879</link>
		<dc:creator>kenfo</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 08 Apr 2007 16:53:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;The Gravy Train is not a viable transportation mode.  I have poured it on the floor (gravity) and sat on it for hours.....nothing.  Also, if you drilled a bunch of holes through the earth, it would make an annoying whistling sound as it hurtled through space, pissing off aliens....or are WE the aliens.  HMMM.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The Gravy Train is not a viable transportation mode.  I have poured it on the floor (gravity) and sat on it for hours&#8230;..nothing.  Also, if you drilled a bunch of holes through the earth, it would make an annoying whistling sound as it hurtled through space, pissing off aliens&#8230;.or are WE the aliens.  HMMM.</p>
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		<title>By: David Barclay</title>
		<link>http://www.damninteresting.com/the-gravity-express#comment-13864</link>
		<dc:creator>David Barclay</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 06 Apr 2007 07:00:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;I wonder if you have consider the internal dynamics of the earth, as it would seem that the last thing you want to do is drill a hole, if you could, to the center of the earth.  The result would be a very big explosion.&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p&gt;
Yes, I know, gravity is supposed to increase toward the center of the earth, but does it and does such an idea make the slightest bit of sense.

Has no one considered that the internal and external dynamics of the earth must be inversely proportional to maintain a balanced relatively stable structure.  If so gravity decreases from the surface curve to the center of the earth, just as it decreases isometrically from the surface curve.

So the whole idea of a tunnel through the earth is not a reasonable idea at all.

You only have to consider the deepest hole ever drilled which is in Siberia to see that a hole to the center of the earth is not feasible, as the energy of the earth increases with depth the drill simply stops cutting.

Of course a hole in the ground simply extends the external dynamics inward without accessing the internal dynamics which always remain on the inside.

A fun idea the gravity express, but not very realistic.  But if gravity is your passion you might want to check out the 7 chapters of a book called Unity at http://www.gravitycontrol.org 

Some interesting thoughts on gravity for sure.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I wonder if you have consider the internal dynamics of the earth, as it would seem that the last thing you want to do is drill a hole, if you could, to the center of the earth.  The result would be a very big explosion.</p>
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Yes, I know, gravity is supposed to increase toward the center of the earth, but does it and does such an idea make the slightest bit of sense.</p>
<p>Has no one considered that the internal and external dynamics of the earth must be inversely proportional to maintain a balanced relatively stable structure.  If so gravity decreases from the surface curve to the center of the earth, just as it decreases isometrically from the surface curve.</p>
<p>So the whole idea of a tunnel through the earth is not a reasonable idea at all.</p>
<p>You only have to consider the deepest hole ever drilled which is in Siberia to see that a hole to the center of the earth is not feasible, as the energy of the earth increases with depth the drill simply stops cutting.</p>
<p>Of course a hole in the ground simply extends the external dynamics inward without accessing the internal dynamics which always remain on the inside.</p>
<p>A fun idea the gravity express, but not very realistic.  But if gravity is your passion you might want to check out the 7 chapters of a book called Unity at <a href="http://www.gravitycontrol.org" rel="nofollow">http://www.gravitycontrol.org</a> </p>
<p>Some interesting thoughts on gravity for sure.</p>
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		<title>By: ej00807</title>
		<link>http://www.damninteresting.com/the-gravity-express#comment-13861</link>
		<dc:creator>ej00807</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 06 Apr 2007 05:34:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Gee you would think there&#039;d be a way to slingshot with gravity without having to bore through good old mother earth. Hea- but nice horror movie stuff anyhow.

Banmeihack, altering the pressure of  your fluid is not necessary with compounds used in air conditioning and refridgeration.  I think you will find this article interesting. An MIT Peace Corp student is using just your idea to provide energy for poor developing countries:
http://www.technologyreview.com/read_article.aspx?ch=biztech&amp;sc=&amp;id=17169&amp;pg=2

The efficiencies touted sound impressive. Coupled with some cheap fresnel lenses, I could see how this could easily provide home energy in a small foot print (less household cooling and air heating needs). Of course thermal battery home designs could solve these problems. I&#039;ve been working on that idea for a while now.

Personally, I&#039;ve always liked solar. Much more so than wind or ocean power.  But I&#039;m afraid ugly fuels like nuclear, coal and oil are going to be necessary for a long time. 

The recent commitiment to creating wonder crops with great caloric potential is a bit of a horror movie also. This perhaps to fuel our cars and automobiles while still keeping the traditional market forces over  energy production and distributuion. 

Lets hope those new crops aren&#039;t flammable and don&#039;t destroy too much soil.


&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Gee you would think there&#8217;d be a way to slingshot with gravity without having to bore through good old mother earth. Hea- but nice horror movie stuff anyhow.</p>
<p>Banmeihack, altering the pressure of  your fluid is not necessary with compounds used in air conditioning and refridgeration.  I think you will find this article interesting. An MIT Peace Corp student is using just your idea to provide energy for poor developing countries:<br />
<a href="http://www.technologyreview.com/read_article.aspx?ch=biztech&amp;sc=&amp;id=17169&amp;pg=2" rel="nofollow">http://www.technologyreview.com/read_article.aspx?ch=biztech&amp;sc=&amp;id=17169&amp;pg=2</a></p>
<p>The efficiencies touted sound impressive. Coupled with some cheap fresnel lenses, I could see how this could easily provide home energy in a small foot print (less household cooling and air heating needs). Of course thermal battery home designs could solve these problems. I&#8217;ve been working on that idea for a while now.</p>
<p>Personally, I&#8217;ve always liked solar. Much more so than wind or ocean power.  But I&#8217;m afraid ugly fuels like nuclear, coal and oil are going to be necessary for a long time. </p>
<p>The recent commitiment to creating wonder crops with great caloric potential is a bit of a horror movie also. This perhaps to fuel our cars and automobiles while still keeping the traditional market forces over  energy production and distributuion. </p>
<p>Lets hope those new crops aren&#8217;t flammable and don&#8217;t destroy too much soil.</p>
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