Comments on: The Phantom Time Hypothesis http://www.damninteresting.com/the-phantom-time-hypothesis A collection of Damn Interesting things Wed, 17 Mar 2010 00:31:54 -0700 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.9.1 hourly 1 By: Alucin Veritas http://www.damninteresting.com/the-phantom-time-hypothesis#comment-25610 Alucin Veritas Thu, 31 Dec 2009 08:24:41 +0000 http://www.damninteresting.com/?p=164#comment-25610 By this point there have been many refutations of the conspiracy. I have one more to add. A recent method to date Jesus' birth that came to my attention relies on astronomical occurrences. It is explained in depth at http://www.eclipse.net/~molnar/ (I don't know how to link). Since the process of finding the occurrence uses computers, I assume it starts rewinding from current astronomical charts and uses modern dates as a starting point. The computers found the occurrence at about 6 BC, a reasonable time for Jesus to have been born considering that the precise date has been lost for a long time. Since modern christian calendars are based on Jesus' birth as an origin point, the fact that there isn't a 300 year discrepancy between the original estimations and the possible Star of Bethlehem would be in direct contrast to the conspiracy. We are a little over 2000 years from his birth date, not a measly 1700. By this point there have been many refutations of the conspiracy. I have one more to add. A recent method to date Jesus’ birth that came to my attention relies on astronomical occurrences. It is explained in depth at http://www.eclipse.net/~molnar/ (I don’t know how to link). Since the process of finding the occurrence uses computers, I assume it starts rewinding from current astronomical charts and uses modern dates as a starting point. The computers found the occurrence at about 6 BC, a reasonable time for Jesus to have been born considering that the precise date has been lost for a long time. Since modern christian calendars are based on Jesus’ birth as an origin point, the fact that there isn’t a 300 year discrepancy between the original estimations and the possible Star of Bethlehem would be in direct contrast to the conspiracy. We are a little over 2000 years from his birth date, not a measly 1700.

]]> By: smeik http://www.damninteresting.com/the-phantom-time-hypothesis#comment-25449 smeik Sat, 24 Oct 2009 11:50:01 +0000 http://www.damninteresting.com/?p=164#comment-25449 Two thoughts on this subject by someone who has read Illig & Co. in German: 1. On radiocarbon dating: It doesn't matter how exact it is. The point is, it's relative. If you determine the age of something by radiocarbon dating as, let's say, 1.250 years, you might say it's from 759. But if the numbering of years has leaped in between, e. g. in 600 everybody decided it should be 900, the correct year of your something is 459. 2. A similar problem arouses comparing datings of different cultures. It is not quite easy to find events or persons from the Middle (or older) Ages that can be dated in two or even more cultures. So there is very little in christian sources that corresponds with the arab ones about islamic expansion. A lot of deduction is made by simply declaring both timelines as complete and correct and then comparing them. But we know that there is a lot of, well, fiction within the chronicles of both cultures. Almost worse is the case when the chronicles of different cultures have influenced themselves among each other. Arab historians might have read christian or jewish sources and vice versa. Two thoughts on this subject by someone who has read Illig & Co. in German:
1. On radiocarbon dating: It doesn’t matter how exact it is. The point is, it’s relative. If you determine the age of something by radiocarbon dating as, let’s say, 1.250 years, you might say it’s from 759. But if the numbering of years has leaped in between, e. g. in 600 everybody decided it should be 900, the correct year of your something is 459.
2. A similar problem arouses comparing datings of different cultures. It is not quite easy to find events or persons from the Middle (or older) Ages that can be dated in two or even more cultures. So there is very little in christian sources that corresponds with the arab ones about islamic expansion. A lot of deduction is made by simply declaring both timelines as complete and correct and then comparing them. But we know that there is a lot of, well, fiction within the chronicles of both cultures. Almost worse is the case when the chronicles of different cultures have influenced themselves among each other. Arab historians might have read christian or jewish sources and vice versa.

]]> By: michaeljlogin1988@lycos.com http://www.damninteresting.com/the-phantom-time-hypothesis#comment-23993 michaeljlogin1988@lycos.com Sun, 15 Feb 2009 12:19:24 +0000 http://www.damninteresting.com/?p=164#comment-23993 love it. love this article. love it, love it, love it, love it, love it, love it, love it.

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]]> By: michaeljlogin1988@lycos.com http://www.damninteresting.com/the-phantom-time-hypothesis#comment-23992 michaeljlogin1988@lycos.com Sun, 15 Feb 2009 12:16:03 +0000 http://www.damninteresting.com/?p=164#comment-23992 carbon dating, i think refers to millions of years, or at least many many thousands. they use it for dinosaurs, so i dont know if you can use it for this huh, i like living in the 1700's. of course that is based on what i think of the 1700's early guns, chivalry. thats all what we think of the 1700;'s thats really the 1500''s aha, well i like it i dont like the year 205, so i;ll buy this shit. its now, what 1785, was 2005, so 2008 is 1788, and 2009 is 1789, so its 1789 awesome. whoops, i mean, how very wonderful a day we are in, my lady. cause I dont knopw what that w0rd awesome is carbon dating, i think refers to millions of years, or at least many many thousands.
they use it for dinosaurs, so i dont know if you can use it for this

huh, i like living in the 1700’s.

of course that is based on what i think of the 1700’s
early guns, chivalry. thats all what we think of the 1700;’s thats really the 1500′’s
aha,

well i like it

i dont like the year 205, so i;ll buy this shit.

its now, what 1785, was 2005, so 2008 is 1788, and 2009 is 1789, so its 1789

awesome. whoops, i mean, how very wonderful a day we are in, my lady. cause I dont knopw what that w0rd awesome is

]]> By: matt_2304 http://www.damninteresting.com/the-phantom-time-hypothesis#comment-23613 matt_2304 Sun, 28 Dec 2008 18:19:49 +0000 http://www.damninteresting.com/?p=164#comment-23613 Sigh, another jab at JustAnotherName for being just another child born into a religious background... You'll never read this, but perhaps this is just +1 social point to those who also go "Religion? Are you serious?", and perhaps another line of argument for those who do. Oh, I'll try and tie this into the topic of the article too. JustAnotherName, if the deity you personally were taught to love and obey regardless of your intellect did create the Earth and people 6000 years ago, why is there evidence of stuff going on for millions of years? Is that just a cruel joke? You'd have to believe carbon dating is flawed, that the whole field of genetics is flawed (ie, how much genetic diversity can we expect from a single pair of animals that started breeding 6000 years ago) and also believe that someone who created this whole planet will condemn you to hell for having your life saved via a blood transfusion. I know some religious people who think God cares for everyone, but has them raped and tortured and molested and is generally perverse to teach them a lesson, which I assume is the default position to circumnavigate people natural logical response to the conundrum. That sort of argument certainly gets tossed around, and is believed all too often. End rant. Oh, yeah, tying it to the topic. JustAnotherName - "Now, KEEP AN OPEN MIND and the next JW that is at your door, or one you work with, or there is a family member that is a JW or you know a friends' cousins' inlaw is one, ask him or her about the date of 1914. You will make their day and possibly several one hour a week visits for a few weeks, as I am sure, as it did all JW's and those who just wanted to know, it takes a bit of Biblical and Historical research to understand the counting of prophetic years and the significance of 1914. " The Earth was supposed to explode or something wasn't it? Maybe you should support the missing years theory so your branch of religion can lay claim to predicating the next man-made catastrophe like some cheap fairground charlatan. I assume there are considerably more reliable sources than a single 2000 or so year old text, and, if there is, to imply it has all the answers and encourage others to read it and perhaps add them to your stock (i mean flock), is clearly an intellectually blinded point of view. Sigh, another jab at JustAnotherName for being just another child born into a religious background…

You’ll never read this, but perhaps this is just +1 social point to those who also go “Religion? Are you serious?”, and perhaps another line of argument for those who do. Oh, I’ll try and tie this into the topic of the article too.

JustAnotherName, if the deity you personally were taught to love and obey regardless of your intellect did create the Earth and people 6000 years ago, why is there evidence of stuff going on for millions of years? Is that just a cruel joke? You’d have to believe carbon dating is flawed, that the whole field of genetics is flawed (ie, how much genetic diversity can we expect from a single pair of animals that started breeding 6000 years ago) and also believe that someone who created this whole planet will condemn you to hell for having your life saved via a blood transfusion. I know some religious people who think God cares for everyone, but has them raped and tortured and molested and is generally perverse to teach them a lesson, which I assume is the default position to circumnavigate people natural logical response to the conundrum. That sort of argument certainly gets tossed around, and is believed all too often. End rant.

Oh, yeah, tying it to the topic.

JustAnotherName – “Now, KEEP AN OPEN MIND and the next JW that is at your door, or one you work with, or there is a family member that is a JW or you know a friends’ cousins’ inlaw is one, ask him or her about the date of 1914. You will make their day and possibly several one hour a week visits for a few weeks, as I am sure, as it did all JW’s and those who just wanted to know, it takes a bit of Biblical and Historical research to understand the counting of prophetic years and the significance of 1914. ”

The Earth was supposed to explode or something wasn’t it? Maybe you should support the missing years theory so your branch of religion can lay claim to predicating the next man-made catastrophe like some cheap fairground charlatan. I assume there are considerably more reliable sources than a single 2000 or so year old text, and, if there is, to imply it has all the answers and encourage others to read it and perhaps add them to your stock (i mean flock), is clearly an intellectually blinded point of view.

]]> By: Becky http://www.damninteresting.com/the-phantom-time-hypothesis#comment-22809 Becky Sat, 20 Sep 2008 04:06:52 +0000 http://www.damninteresting.com/?p=164#comment-22809 [quote]JustAnotherName said: "Although I believe it is important to know of other theories and movements propounded through the centuries and feel that analyzing them can provide some valid information, I have already come to the conclusion this group is no more than intelligent blithering idiots. I know their type. I have a brother much like the so-and-so pictured above."[/quote] One more tiny little thing. You are calling someone a blithering idiot and you are a JW! LOL You are a member of one of the most demented twisted CULTS on the planet. The many reports of pedophilia within the JWs are coming out by the hundreds. Google it and read them for yourself. You people are brainwashed from the cradle and are to be pitied...except the ones using innocent children for their perversion. They should be burned alive! [quote]JustAnotherName said: “Although I believe it is important to know of other theories and movements propounded through the centuries and feel that analyzing them can provide some valid information, I have already come to the conclusion this group is no more than intelligent blithering idiots. I know their type. I have a brother much like the so-and-so pictured above.”[/quote]

One more tiny little thing. You are calling someone a blithering idiot and you are a JW! LOL

You are a member of one of the most demented twisted CULTS on the planet. The many reports of pedophilia within the JWs are coming out by the hundreds. Google it and read them for yourself. You people are brainwashed from the cradle and are to be pitied…except the ones using innocent children for their perversion. They should be burned alive!

]]> By: Becky http://www.damninteresting.com/the-phantom-time-hypothesis#comment-22808 Becky Sat, 20 Sep 2008 03:53:38 +0000 http://www.damninteresting.com/?p=164#comment-22808 [quote]JustAnotherName said: "Although I believe it is important to know of other theories and movements propounded through the centuries and feel that analyzing them can provide some valid information, I have already come to the conclusion this group is no more than intelligent blithering idiots. I know their type. I have a brother much like the so-and-so pictured above."[/quote] A little paranoid I would say! Who was it that said "it is better to be thought a fool than to open your mouth and remove all doubt"? JustAnotherName is the classic example of letting ones mouth "remove all doubt". There have been many learned and honorable people who have written volumes on this very subject that certainly provides enough evidence to provoke further investigation. Why fear investigation? How will truth ever be known for certain without it? I appreciate those who share what they have found and I want the truth whatever it may be. Insulting people you don't even know is about as childish as it can be. If something offends you and your chosen belief, don't read it. It is that simple. Just take your toys and lousy attitude and go home. [quote]JustAnotherName said: “Although I believe it is important to know of other theories and movements propounded through the centuries and feel that analyzing them can provide some valid information, I have already come to the conclusion this group is no more than intelligent blithering idiots. I know their type. I have a brother much like the so-and-so pictured above.”[/quote]

A little paranoid I would say! Who was it that said “it is better to be thought a fool than to open your mouth and remove all doubt”? JustAnotherName is the classic example of letting ones mouth “remove all doubt”. There have been many learned and honorable people who have written volumes on this very subject that certainly provides enough evidence to provoke further investigation. Why fear investigation? How will truth ever be known for certain without it? I appreciate those who share what they have found and I want the truth whatever it may be. Insulting people you don’t even know is about as childish as it can be. If something offends you and your chosen belief, don’t read it. It is that simple. Just take your toys and lousy attitude and go home.

]]> By: tykxboy http://www.damninteresting.com/the-phantom-time-hypothesis#comment-21697 tykxboy Wed, 04 Jun 2008 23:59:00 +0000 http://www.damninteresting.com/?p=164#comment-21697 Wow, I read all these comments and suddenly noticed 30 minutes missing from my day. Coincidence or is that Pope Gregory XIII guy really a very sneaky lil' bastard. Wow, I read all these comments and suddenly noticed 30 minutes missing from my day. Coincidence or is that Pope Gregory XIII guy really a very sneaky lil’ bastard.

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