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		<title>By: Grandmaster Ramrod</title>
		<link>http://www.damninteresting.com/the-plane-that-flew-too-soon/#comment-26947</link>
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		<pubDate>Thu, 15 Dec 2011 17:47:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I just registered today to say two things:

1. Love the website. All the articles I&#039;ve read so far are indeed Damn Interesting! Keep up the fine work!

2. I live in the UK, on a housing estate that is near the former site of a RAF base. All the street names have some sort of aeronautical name, for example Barnes Wallis Close, Sunderland Close etc. At the back of the estate, there is a road that leads nowhere (I think there may have been a time when expansion of the estate was on the cards, never happened) and the road is called Brabazon Way. Useless information I know, but I thought it was at least semi-interesting...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I just registered today to say two things:</p>
<p>1. Love the website. All the articles I&#8217;ve read so far are indeed Damn Interesting! Keep up the fine work!</p>
<p>2. I live in the UK, on a housing estate that is near the former site of a RAF base. All the street names have some sort of aeronautical name, for example Barnes Wallis Close, Sunderland Close etc. At the back of the estate, there is a road that leads nowhere (I think there may have been a time when expansion of the estate was on the cards, never happened) and the road is called Brabazon Way. Useless information I know, but I thought it was at least semi-interesting&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: ambrosen</title>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 01 Mar 2011 23:57:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Amazingly, there&#039;s some footage of this flying that was recently found: worth a look at http://news.bbc.co.uk/local/bristol/hi/people_and_places/history/newsid_8313000/8313848.stm</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Amazingly, there&#8217;s some footage of this flying that was recently found: worth a look at <a href="http://news.bbc.co.uk/local/bristol/hi/people_and_places/history/newsid_8313000/8313848.stm" rel="nofollow">http://news.bbc.co.uk/local/bristol/hi/people_and_places/history/newsid_8313000/8313848.stm</a></p>
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		<title>By: traveingwoods</title>
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		<pubDate>Fri, 10 Oct 2008 18:51:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>were the run ways even long enough?</description>
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		<title>By: Anthropositor</title>
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		<pubDate>Fri, 01 Aug 2008 15:50:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Uh, I am not an expert in aircraft, but if you meant clockwise by CW, then the aircraft will tend to roll to the left.

Some of the elements of this story reminded me of the Komet, a rocket aircraft utilizing as one of its&#039; fuel components a very concentrated hydrogen peroxide which often blew up ground personnel during fueling.  If memory serves, the Nazi&#039;s changed fueling procedures in some pretty important ways, no longer trying to pump both components of the fuel into the plane at the same time.

While it was probably the fastest fighter in the sky at the time, it was of extremely short range.  Another interesting feature: to keep the weight to a minimum, the wheeled undercarriage was abandoned on takeoff.  If the pilot was lucky enough to survive his mission, he had to do a powerless, gliding belly-landing.  I think the aircraft had something like five minutes of powered flight.  Once out of fuel, they were extremely vulnerable to our P-51 fighters.  They used various methods of assisting the take-off.  Had the Germans been more wise than they were  in deciding to develop aircraft carriers, we could have had considerably more trouble dealing with this aircraft.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Uh, I am not an expert in aircraft, but if you meant clockwise by CW, then the aircraft will tend to roll to the left.</p>
<p>Some of the elements of this story reminded me of the Komet, a rocket aircraft utilizing as one of its&#8217; fuel components a very concentrated hydrogen peroxide which often blew up ground personnel during fueling.  If memory serves, the Nazi&#8217;s changed fueling procedures in some pretty important ways, no longer trying to pump both components of the fuel into the plane at the same time.</p>
<p>While it was probably the fastest fighter in the sky at the time, it was of extremely short range.  Another interesting feature: to keep the weight to a minimum, the wheeled undercarriage was abandoned on takeoff.  If the pilot was lucky enough to survive his mission, he had to do a powerless, gliding belly-landing.  I think the aircraft had something like five minutes of powered flight.  Once out of fuel, they were extremely vulnerable to our P-51 fighters.  They used various methods of assisting the take-off.  Had the Germans been more wise than they were  in deciding to develop aircraft carriers, we could have had considerably more trouble dealing with this aircraft.</p>
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		<title>By: liquidgarnet</title>
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		<pubDate>Sun, 06 Apr 2008 14:53:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[quote]soulkitchen said: &quot;Anyone know why the propeller blades were counter-rotating?&quot;[/quote]

The reason behind this is simple. If all the propellers rotated CW, the aircraft would have a tendency to roll towards the right. If you counter-rotate the blades, this effect is cancelled out.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[quote]soulkitchen said: &#8220;Anyone know why the propeller blades were counter-rotating?&#8221;[/quote]</p>
<p>The reason behind this is simple. If all the propellers rotated CW, the aircraft would have a tendency to roll towards the right. If you counter-rotate the blades, this effect is cancelled out.</p>
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		<title>By: Goofball</title>
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		<pubDate>Fri, 07 Mar 2008 08:43:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Brabazon isn&#039;t all that impressive.  The B-36 was of comparable size and performance.  It had been flying since 1946.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Brabazon isn&#8217;t all that impressive.  The B-36 was of comparable size and performance.  It had been flying since 1946.</p>
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		<title>By: PudgeDiesel</title>
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		<pubDate>Fri, 29 Feb 2008 21:43:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>SR-71: New a test pilot that flew it. He said one reason it never reached its top speed was friction, the plane actual began to melt.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>SR-71: New a test pilot that flew it. He said one reason it never reached its top speed was friction, the plane actual began to melt.</p>
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		<title>By: ratboy7</title>
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		<pubDate>Sat, 23 Feb 2008 14:56:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[quote]Radiatidon said: &quot;The only incident I can think of was the F-19 model kit released by Testors/Revel. Though this was not an actual model of the Skunk Works F-117. Model designer John Andrews using his imagination, in fact created the F-19 model in the early 1980’s. He based it on the SR-71, information gleaned from various articles on the new stealth technology including both fiction and fact, and from an insider’s tip from a friend working for a military subcontractor involved on the actual aircraft’s nose.

The model ended being either copied or the design leased by other model and toy companies. Congress did not notice the model/toys until one of the test stealth fighters crashed. At which point they brought the supposed scandal to the lime light by wanting a panel to find out how a top secret aircraft was being sold as a toy and as a model to anyone interested in it. Which when it was discovered no more than a toy designer’s own invention, it caused a few red faces in congress.&quot;[/quote]


The kit was made by Testors.  Revell had nothing to do with it.  At the time, Testors had an affiliation with Italieri, an Italian plastic model maker.  This is what caused the stink.  I distinctly rememeder a congreessman or senator (don&#039;t remember his name) stating that he was miffed that an Italian model company knows what the stealth fighter looks like and he, as a memeber of the U.S. government,  has never seen it.  Of course the kit was based on supposition and I don&#039;t recall the senator eveer saying &quot;never mind&quot; when photos of the actual plane being released.  I&#039;m looking at the model right now.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[quote]Radiatidon said: &#8220;The only incident I can think of was the F-19 model kit released by Testors/Revel. Though this was not an actual model of the Skunk Works F-117. Model designer John Andrews using his imagination, in fact created the F-19 model in the early 1980’s. He based it on the SR-71, information gleaned from various articles on the new stealth technology including both fiction and fact, and from an insider’s tip from a friend working for a military subcontractor involved on the actual aircraft’s nose.</p>
<p>The model ended being either copied or the design leased by other model and toy companies. Congress did not notice the model/toys until one of the test stealth fighters crashed. At which point they brought the supposed scandal to the lime light by wanting a panel to find out how a top secret aircraft was being sold as a toy and as a model to anyone interested in it. Which when it was discovered no more than a toy designer’s own invention, it caused a few red faces in congress.&#8221;[/quote]</p>
<p>The kit was made by Testors.  Revell had nothing to do with it.  At the time, Testors had an affiliation with Italieri, an Italian plastic model maker.  This is what caused the stink.  I distinctly rememeder a congreessman or senator (don&#8217;t remember his name) stating that he was miffed that an Italian model company knows what the stealth fighter looks like and he, as a memeber of the U.S. government,  has never seen it.  Of course the kit was based on supposition and I don&#8217;t recall the senator eveer saying &#8220;never mind&#8221; when photos of the actual plane being released.  I&#8217;m looking at the model right now.</p>
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		<title>By: cabdude</title>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 13 Feb 2008 09:35:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I remember one other thing about the Brabazon.  The standard practice when designing aircraft at the time was to calculate the thickness of metal required for a certain component of the aircraft, and then order the next thickness up to compensate for errors, variance in quality, etc.  This would have made the Brabazon far too heavy - instead they had to be much more precise in their calculation of the gauge required, and then inspect the quality of the components far more carefully.  This experience led to advances in material science and aeronautical engineering, among other things.  Near enough was no longer good enough.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I remember one other thing about the Brabazon.  The standard practice when designing aircraft at the time was to calculate the thickness of metal required for a certain component of the aircraft, and then order the next thickness up to compensate for errors, variance in quality, etc.  This would have made the Brabazon far too heavy &#8211; instead they had to be much more precise in their calculation of the gauge required, and then inspect the quality of the components far more carefully.  This experience led to advances in material science and aeronautical engineering, among other things.  Near enough was no longer good enough.</p>
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		<title>By: my2cents</title>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 12 Feb 2008 05:08:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[quote]another viewpoint said: &quot;…sometimes you have to &quot;push the envelope&quot; to see what eventually falls out. And sometimes the by-products of such endeavors are worth more than the whole. As an example; going to the moon. We didn&#039;t really have to go there, but NASA showed that it could be done. A whole lot of products, companies and industries were the result of investments made in the moon race. Was it worth it? One man&#039;s garbage is another man&#039;s treasure.&quot;[/quote]

My thoughts exactly. It&#039;s easy to say that it was a waste of money b/c we know now that it wasn&#039;t utilized as desired, but back then they were spending money on knowledge expansion and dreams. There&#039;s hardly anything more worthwhile than spending your money on hopes and dreams, even if they do prove to be short-lasting.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[quote]another viewpoint said: &#8220;…sometimes you have to &#8220;push the envelope&#8221; to see what eventually falls out. And sometimes the by-products of such endeavors are worth more than the whole. As an example; going to the moon. We didn&#8217;t really have to go there, but NASA showed that it could be done. A whole lot of products, companies and industries were the result of investments made in the moon race. Was it worth it? One man&#8217;s garbage is another man&#8217;s treasure.&#8221;[/quote]</p>
<p>My thoughts exactly. It&#8217;s easy to say that it was a waste of money b/c we know now that it wasn&#8217;t utilized as desired, but back then they were spending money on knowledge expansion and dreams. There&#8217;s hardly anything more worthwhile than spending your money on hopes and dreams, even if they do prove to be short-lasting.</p>
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