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		<title>By: CountvonLuckner</title>
		<link>http://www.damninteresting.com/the-star-dust-mystery/#comment-26848</link>
		<dc:creator>CountvonLuckner</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 30 Oct 2011 18:05:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[quote]hamsterherder said: &quot;dubyamd said: “perhaps the captain was dyslexic and was trying to say “DESCENT” instead of STENDEC… hrmmm…”
i never thought of it like that. it makes sense. interesting article.&quot;[/quote]

If dyslexic, then how did he get through RAF flight school let alone get himself placed in command of a passenger liner? Besides, the pilot is fully occupied handling the plane---especially when near the vicinity of an airfield or other controlled airspace and usually the navigator or someone other than the pilot is going to be tapping out the radio dispatches.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[quote]hamsterherder said: &#8220;dubyamd said: “perhaps the captain was dyslexic and was trying to say “DESCENT” instead of STENDEC… hrmmm…”<br />
i never thought of it like that. it makes sense. interesting article.&#8221;[/quote]</p>
<p>If dyslexic, then how did he get through RAF flight school let alone get himself placed in command of a passenger liner? Besides, the pilot is fully occupied handling the plane&#8212;especially when near the vicinity of an airfield or other controlled airspace and usually the navigator or someone other than the pilot is going to be tapping out the radio dispatches.</p>
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		<title>By: CountvonLuckner</title>
		<link>http://www.damninteresting.com/the-star-dust-mystery/#comment-26847</link>
		<dc:creator>CountvonLuckner</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 30 Oct 2011 17:47:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Yes, the ship&#039;s radioman might have been sending the call letters &quot;VALP&quot; which may well be those of Valparaiso Airport now, but were they back in &#039;47? And if the  radio op had been intending to reach Valparaiso Airport, he would have keyed out &quot;VALP DE (call letters of acft) K&quot;  and repeated it at least two more times without being prompted by Santiago after only having sent it once. He would not have merely tapped out the group &quot;VALP&quot; w/o including &quot;DE&quot; (from) and then giving the ship&#039;s call letters and had they been low on fuel or some other emergency, Sparks would have immediately included &quot;MAYDAY&quot;, &quot;MEDE&quot;, &quot;SOS&quot; or &quot;PAN&quot;.

Radar transceivers, although commonplace in military acft by 1947 had still not been adopted for use in civilian airliners and the only nav  instruments aboard the Star Dust would have been the bubble sextant and international time signal (flatly unusable under the prevailing meteorology), a radio direction finder loop (RDF) or &quot;bird dog&quot;, a radio range receiver (for use with the then widespread &quot;AN-system&quot; radio range stations) and of course, as the article states, the practice of dead reckoning in conjunction  with the cockpit  panel instruments, airspeed indicator, altimeter, gyro and mag compass and possibly but not necessarily a radio-altimeter. To further murk things up, the captain most likely had to throttle back to not much above stalling speed since that is always highly advised when flying through severe turbulence to avoid undue structural 
stresses on the plane. So their true airspeed could have been perhaps as low as 170-180 knots or even less placing them more at the mercy of cross winds.

They were immersed in heavy weather obviating all chance of visual ground reference and according to the description, there were no radio beacons or radio range stations anywhere to be found in the Andes in those days. So the best they would have had by way of knowledge of their position would be a radio azimuth or bearing to Santiago but no certain knowledge of their distance from it. Also  it doesn&#039;t seem reasonable that they would have radioed Santiago field and sent a most assured and definitive &quot;ETA four minutes&quot; and then suddenly discovered they were 100 km off course to the North. Radio operators skilled in CW (Morse) instinctively learn to almost immediately recognize each other&#039;s code &quot;signatures&quot; so that if the sender aboard the ship had sent &quot;VALP&quot; instead of &quot;STENDEC&quot;, the Santiago field op would not have mistaken the two words.... especially after three times.

Still very much a tragic mystery.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Yes, the ship&#8217;s radioman might have been sending the call letters &#8220;VALP&#8221; which may well be those of Valparaiso Airport now, but were they back in &#8217;47? And if the  radio op had been intending to reach Valparaiso Airport, he would have keyed out &#8220;VALP DE (call letters of acft) K&#8221;  and repeated it at least two more times without being prompted by Santiago after only having sent it once. He would not have merely tapped out the group &#8220;VALP&#8221; w/o including &#8220;DE&#8221; (from) and then giving the ship&#8217;s call letters and had they been low on fuel or some other emergency, Sparks would have immediately included &#8220;MAYDAY&#8221;, &#8220;MEDE&#8221;, &#8220;SOS&#8221; or &#8220;PAN&#8221;.</p>
<p>Radar transceivers, although commonplace in military acft by 1947 had still not been adopted for use in civilian airliners and the only nav  instruments aboard the Star Dust would have been the bubble sextant and international time signal (flatly unusable under the prevailing meteorology), a radio direction finder loop (RDF) or &#8220;bird dog&#8221;, a radio range receiver (for use with the then widespread &#8220;AN-system&#8221; radio range stations) and of course, as the article states, the practice of dead reckoning in conjunction  with the cockpit  panel instruments, airspeed indicator, altimeter, gyro and mag compass and possibly but not necessarily a radio-altimeter. To further murk things up, the captain most likely had to throttle back to not much above stalling speed since that is always highly advised when flying through severe turbulence to avoid undue structural<br />
stresses on the plane. So their true airspeed could have been perhaps as low as 170-180 knots or even less placing them more at the mercy of cross winds.</p>
<p>They were immersed in heavy weather obviating all chance of visual ground reference and according to the description, there were no radio beacons or radio range stations anywhere to be found in the Andes in those days. So the best they would have had by way of knowledge of their position would be a radio azimuth or bearing to Santiago but no certain knowledge of their distance from it. Also  it doesn&#8217;t seem reasonable that they would have radioed Santiago field and sent a most assured and definitive &#8220;ETA four minutes&#8221; and then suddenly discovered they were 100 km off course to the North. Radio operators skilled in CW (Morse) instinctively learn to almost immediately recognize each other&#8217;s code &#8220;signatures&#8221; so that if the sender aboard the ship had sent &#8220;VALP&#8221; instead of &#8220;STENDEC&#8221;, the Santiago field op would not have mistaken the two words&#8230;. especially after three times.</p>
<p>Still very much a tragic mystery.</p>
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		<title>By: Sauce</title>
		<link>http://www.damninteresting.com/the-star-dust-mystery/#comment-26382</link>
		<dc:creator>Sauce</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 24 Jan 2011 16:28:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>OK Guys,  Ive been googling the STENDEC mystery and have found the following explanation, which seems by FAR the most plausible. Its a link to the NT Skeptics group, and they cover the crash and facts very well.  The article ends with the Morse code message on page 4.

Quote : 
&quot;Once again, STENDEC reads / . . . / - / . / - . / - . . / . / - . - ./.  The actual message probably ended with / - - .  /.  The wireless operator in Santiago must have assumed that the last letter was C, and added a dot after the first dash: / - . - . /. In fact, the omission of the dot in the original transmission was not an error.  The letter was not C.  Nor were the first two letters of this strange message ST: / . . . / - /.  The dots and dash formed one letter, V: / . . . - /.
   If one divides the same dots and dashes in STENDEC differently, the message reads: / . . . - / . - / . - . . / . - - . /, which is VALP, the call sign for the airport at Valparaiso, some 110 kilometers north of Santiago.  The experienced crew of the “Stardust” apparently realized the plane was off course in a northerly direction (it was found eighty kilometers off its flight path), or they purposely departed from the charted route to avoid bad weather.  In either case, they attempted to contact what they thought was the nearest airport, Valparaiso, not Santiago.&quot;

http://www.ntskeptics.org/2010/2010december/december2010.pdf</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>OK Guys,  Ive been googling the STENDEC mystery and have found the following explanation, which seems by FAR the most plausible. Its a link to the NT Skeptics group, and they cover the crash and facts very well.  The article ends with the Morse code message on page 4.</p>
<p>Quote :<br />
&#8220;Once again, STENDEC reads / . . . / &#8211; / . / &#8211; . / &#8211; . . / . / &#8211; . &#8211; ./.  The actual message probably ended with / &#8211; - .  /.  The wireless operator in Santiago must have assumed that the last letter was C, and added a dot after the first dash: / &#8211; . &#8211; . /. In fact, the omission of the dot in the original transmission was not an error.  The letter was not C.  Nor were the first two letters of this strange message ST: / . . . / &#8211; /.  The dots and dash formed one letter, V: / . . . &#8211; /.<br />
   If one divides the same dots and dashes in STENDEC differently, the message reads: / . . . &#8211; / . &#8211; / . &#8211; . . / . &#8211; - . /, which is VALP, the call sign for the airport at Valparaiso, some 110 kilometers north of Santiago.  The experienced crew of the “Stardust” apparently realized the plane was off course in a northerly direction (it was found eighty kilometers off its flight path), or they purposely departed from the charted route to avoid bad weather.  In either case, they attempted to contact what they thought was the nearest airport, Valparaiso, not Santiago.&#8221;</p>
<p><a href="http://www.ntskeptics.org/2010/2010december/december2010.pdf" rel="nofollow">http://www.ntskeptics.org/2010/2010december/december2010.pdf</a></p>
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		<title>By: Andrew Battenti</title>
		<link>http://www.damninteresting.com/the-star-dust-mystery/#comment-26378</link>
		<dc:creator>Andrew Battenti</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 16 Jan 2011 16:26:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;S-T-E-N-D-E-C&quot; sounds like something a &lt;i&gt;hypoxic&lt;/i&gt; person might say at 24,000 feet or higher.  (possibly meaning: &quot;Stand by for deck landing&quot;) If G-AGWH had in fact been flying into a strong  headwind (jetstream) she  could well have run out of oxygen, not to mention fuel. 

Mild hypoxia can also produce euphoria (as well as spatial disorientation) and this could explain the absence of a &lt;i&gt;Pan-Pan&lt;/i&gt; or &lt;i&gt;Mayday&lt;/i&gt; radio broadcast.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;S-T-E-N-D-E-C&#8221; sounds like something a <i>hypoxic</i> person might say at 24,000 feet or higher.  (possibly meaning: &#8220;Stand by for deck landing&#8221;) If G-AGWH had in fact been flying into a strong  headwind (jetstream) she  could well have run out of oxygen, not to mention fuel. </p>
<p>Mild hypoxia can also produce euphoria (as well as spatial disorientation) and this could explain the absence of a <i>Pan-Pan</i> or <i>Mayday</i> radio broadcast.</p>
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		<title>By: glindhot</title>
		<link>http://www.damninteresting.com/the-star-dust-mystery/#comment-26214</link>
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		<pubDate>Thu, 23 Sep 2010 22:54:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Ribble&#039;s explanation, supported by RAFSPARKS, has solved STENDEC and I gladly dump my own &quot;clever&quot; guess. Their explanation of AR and the manner of its sending is fascinating. What I wondered was why AR ever became the signing-off word. I note that if its code had an additional dit then it could be converted into END which leads me to wonder whether the original signing-off word may have been END but had become corrupted to AR by leaving off the final dit.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Ribble&#8217;s explanation, supported by RAFSPARKS, has solved STENDEC and I gladly dump my own &#8220;clever&#8221; guess. Their explanation of AR and the manner of its sending is fascinating. What I wondered was why AR ever became the signing-off word. I note that if its code had an additional dit then it could be converted into END which leads me to wonder whether the original signing-off word may have been END but had become corrupted to AR by leaving off the final dit.</p>
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		<title>By: RAFSPARKS</title>
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		<dc:creator>RAFSPARKS</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 21 Aug 2010 08:27:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Ribble - you have it nailed, I am an ex-Royal Air Force Coastal Command Wireless Operator, and without fail we would always end ANY transmission in Morse with AR (referred to as AR barred because we would draw a line above the two letters) but invariably operators would have a &quot;fist&quot; or characterization which would end up with them adding a very slight pause after the first dot and then emphasizing the next dash so that it ended up as  .  _ ._.  (not EC) however it was quite clearly read by all of us operators and was widely understood,  the old &quot; bathtub &quot; key fitted in the Lancaster, and just about every British plane was notoriously stiff to use and we tended to use a pretty heavy hand in sending Morse almost forcing operators to develop those strange ways of keying, (some were really hard to read)  The STARDUST op would also be no different ! but a foreign operator would understandably read the whole thing incorrectly as a word.  You are probably right with the assumption the ST meant Santiago Time (to confirm he was not using GMT)  and then END (for end of text) plus AR barred (end of message).  As an old school Air Force operator I would read that message as quite logical in it&#039;s meaning !     73&#039;s N3ET AR

VA7DU  (ex N0FET)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Ribble &#8211; you have it nailed, I am an ex-Royal Air Force Coastal Command Wireless Operator, and without fail we would always end ANY transmission in Morse with AR (referred to as AR barred because we would draw a line above the two letters) but invariably operators would have a &#8220;fist&#8221; or characterization which would end up with them adding a very slight pause after the first dot and then emphasizing the next dash so that it ended up as  .  _ ._.  (not EC) however it was quite clearly read by all of us operators and was widely understood,  the old &#8221; bathtub &#8221; key fitted in the Lancaster, and just about every British plane was notoriously stiff to use and we tended to use a pretty heavy hand in sending Morse almost forcing operators to develop those strange ways of keying, (some were really hard to read)  The STARDUST op would also be no different ! but a foreign operator would understandably read the whole thing incorrectly as a word.  You are probably right with the assumption the ST meant Santiago Time (to confirm he was not using GMT)  and then END (for end of text) plus AR barred (end of message).  As an old school Air Force operator I would read that message as quite logical in it&#8217;s meaning !     73&#8242;s N3ET AR</p>
<p>VA7DU  (ex N0FET)</p>
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		<title>By: Ribble</title>
		<link>http://www.damninteresting.com/the-star-dust-mystery/#comment-26144</link>
		<dc:creator>Ribble</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 17 Aug 2010 03:56:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I should add that each radio operator has a distint &quot;fist&quot; and AR is commonly sent in a friendly way with a very slight pause after the first dit, making it sound almost like &quot;E C&quot;, likely with the first dah greatly extended.  Possible if the recieving end thought they were copying an unknown (STENDEC) word or a word in a different language.  The sender would not even know that for the past ten years he has been sending it in this friendly manner.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I should add that each radio operator has a distint &#8220;fist&#8221; and AR is commonly sent in a friendly way with a very slight pause after the first dit, making it sound almost like &#8220;E C&#8221;, likely with the first dah greatly extended.  Possible if the recieving end thought they were copying an unknown (STENDEC) word or a word in a different language.  The sender would not even know that for the past ten years he has been sending it in this friendly manner.</p>
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		<title>By: Ribble</title>
		<link>http://www.damninteresting.com/the-star-dust-mystery/#comment-26143</link>
		<dc:creator>Ribble</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 17 Aug 2010 03:37:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&#039;ETA Santiago 17.45 hrs STENDEC&#039;
My guess &quot;ETA Santiago 17.45 hrs ST END AR&quot;
ST = Santiago Time - He would send that because he was entering a different country and 
time zone, either different or unknown.

END = End of text - END (The whole word) has a distinct unmistakable sound and in Morse you don&#039;t
copy the letters, you copy the word. These were professional radio operators at both ends and they hear words, not letters. The word &quot;End&quot; actually has a very pleasing rythmic sound in Morse.

AR = Morse for end of transmission (signing off) always sent with no spacing between A and R.  So commonly used that it would not have been mistaken. This is a word in Morse, not letters.

N3ET</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8216;ETA Santiago 17.45 hrs STENDEC&#8217;<br />
My guess &#8220;ETA Santiago 17.45 hrs ST END AR&#8221;<br />
ST = Santiago Time &#8211; He would send that because he was entering a different country and<br />
time zone, either different or unknown.</p>
<p>END = End of text &#8211; END (The whole word) has a distinct unmistakable sound and in Morse you don&#8217;t<br />
copy the letters, you copy the word. These were professional radio operators at both ends and they hear words, not letters. The word &#8220;End&#8221; actually has a very pleasing rythmic sound in Morse.</p>
<p>AR = Morse for end of transmission (signing off) always sent with no spacing between A and R.  So commonly used that it would not have been mistaken. This is a word in Morse, not letters.</p>
<p>N3ET</p>
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		<title>By: RoflBeard</title>
		<link>http://www.damninteresting.com/the-star-dust-mystery/#comment-25640</link>
		<dc:creator>RoflBeard</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 12 Jan 2010 11:24:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>DI article!..... Well to be honest they all are....however this has left me feeling empty I really wish I knew what happened in that plane just before it crashed.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>DI article!&#8230;.. Well to be honest they all are&#8230;.however this has left me feeling empty I really wish I knew what happened in that plane just before it crashed.</p>
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		<title>By: Correct me if I'm wrong, but:</title>
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		<dc:creator>Correct me if I'm wrong, but:</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 25 Sep 2008 20:08:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>guys guys calm down! i figured it out!
Shit!
Theres
Eels
Nestling
Down
Everyone&#039;s
Crotch
theres a justifiable reason to crash a plane if i ever heard one</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>guys guys calm down! i figured it out!<br />
Shit!<br />
Theres<br />
Eels<br />
Nestling<br />
Down<br />
Everyone&#8217;s<br />
Crotch<br />
theres a justifiable reason to crash a plane if i ever heard one</p>
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