Comments on: The Tragedy of the Love Canal http://www.damninteresting.com/the-tragedy-of-the-love-canal/ A collection of legitimately fascinating information culled from the past, present, and anticipated future. Tue, 22 May 2012 01:30:14 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.3.2 By: Geojock http://www.damninteresting.com/the-tragedy-of-the-love-canal/#comment-26863 Geojock Thu, 10 Nov 2011 23:12:53 +0000 http://www.damninteresting.com/?p=668#comment-26863 John Stossel is a tool, which is sad, because I used to have some respect for him. No PROOF that dioxins cause cancer? http://monographs.iarc.fr/ENG/Monographs/vol69/volume69.pdf This is a summary of finding on dioxins and furans. I'm a geologist that has met the company founder of the engineering firm that did the Love Canal cleanup, Frank Rovers. I really don't think Hooker Chem was trying to hide anything - at the most there was probably some willful ignorance of side effects - but you have to understand this was the era of "better living through chemistry". The science of toxicology had only been invented 25 or 30 years ago as an offshoot of criminal forensics, and cancer-slope factors and LD50 doses weren't even thought up yet. I do think there's an overreaction these days to perceived human health risks, but at the same timethe RECOGNITION that these chemical dumps were toxic is a benefit in itself. We're a hell of a lot more careful with what we dump - although we don't seem as yet to have any controls on MAKING the stuff. John Stossel is a tool, which is sad, because I used to have some respect for him. No PROOF that dioxins cause cancer?
http://monographs.iarc.fr/ENG/Monographs/vol69/volume69.pdf
This is a summary of finding on dioxins and furans. I’m a geologist that has met the company founder of the engineering firm that did the Love Canal cleanup, Frank Rovers. I really don’t think Hooker Chem was trying to hide anything – at the most there was probably some willful ignorance of side effects – but you have to understand this was the era of “better living through chemistry”. The science of toxicology had only been invented 25 or 30 years ago as an offshoot of criminal forensics, and cancer-slope factors and LD50 doses weren’t even thought up yet.
I do think there’s an overreaction these days to perceived human health risks, but at the same timethe RECOGNITION that these chemical dumps were toxic is a benefit in itself. We’re a hell of a lot more careful with what we dump – although we don’t seem as yet to have any controls on MAKING the stuff.

]]> By: Crispus http://www.damninteresting.com/the-tragedy-of-the-love-canal/#comment-26113 Crispus Sun, 25 Jul 2010 22:57:08 +0000 http://www.damninteresting.com/?p=668#comment-26113 Sadly, the Chinese are creating "Love Canals" all over China. From both ignorance and intent, sadness awaits the many parents of their only child. Sadly, the Chinese are creating “Love Canals” all over China. From both ignorance and intent, sadness awaits the many parents of their only child.

]]> By: sbueti http://www.damninteresting.com/the-tragedy-of-the-love-canal/#comment-26058 sbueti Tue, 01 Jun 2010 01:05:57 +0000 http://www.damninteresting.com/?p=668#comment-26058 If only Love's ideas had been finished. Then maybe Niagara Falls wouldn't be the screwed-over shithole that it is now. Rest in peace, William Love, whose dreams of a utopia were screwed over to a toxic waste dump/ghost town. If only Love’s ideas had been finished. Then maybe Niagara Falls wouldn’t be the screwed-over shithole that it is now. Rest in peace, William Love, whose dreams of a utopia were screwed over to a toxic waste dump/ghost town.

]]> By: meanfearie http://www.damninteresting.com/the-tragedy-of-the-love-canal/#comment-25269 meanfearie Sat, 29 Aug 2009 08:55:13 +0000 http://www.damninteresting.com/?p=668#comment-25269 to everyone here has something to say about this unspeakable environmental disaster. But how many of you were actually conceived, born , and grew up there? I was one of those children who was "lucky" enough to survive. What did the actual VICTIMS of that toxic wasteland receive? Disgusting amounts were given to those who stuck it out up until the very end, because it was either be homeless without a penny to their names or have something to try and restart a life with. Those of you who have actually read all the facts on all that toxic waste and what some of the chemicals could possibly do or create when introduced to a human fetus. Doesn't it make you curious as to what the children (at least the ones who lived) got out of all it. Well I'll tell you I personally didn't receive even an appology, let alone restitution, or even lifelong medical care !!! And in my opinion that seriously BLOWS!!! to everyone here has something to say about this unspeakable environmental disaster. But how many of you were actually conceived, born , and grew up there? I was one of those children who was “lucky” enough to survive. What did the actual VICTIMS of that toxic wasteland receive? Disgusting amounts were given to those who stuck it out up until the very end, because it was either be homeless without a penny to their names or have something to try and restart a life with. Those of you who have actually read all the facts on all that toxic waste and what some of the chemicals could possibly do or create when introduced to a human fetus. Doesn’t it make you curious as to what the children (at least the ones who lived) got out of all it. Well I’ll tell you I personally didn’t receive even an appology, let alone restitution, or even lifelong medical care !!!
And in my opinion that seriously BLOWS!!!

]]> By: tityfucker http://www.damninteresting.com/the-tragedy-of-the-love-canal/#comment-24052 tityfucker Sun, 01 Mar 2009 22:02:18 +0000 http://www.damninteresting.com/?p=668#comment-24052 The love canal was a seriously bad boner The love canal was a seriously bad boner

]]> By: kskikski http://www.damninteresting.com/the-tragedy-of-the-love-canal/#comment-23779 kskikski Fri, 16 Jan 2009 08:29:41 +0000 http://www.damninteresting.com/?p=668#comment-23779 Most logical people can see that humans will reap devastating effects for ruining the environment. Love Canal is an obvious example of this. Interestingly, there are always the few who will defend the environmental polluters and blatantly state that such toxic waste neighborhoods are safe, but would they themselves move those they love to that neighborhood? I doubt it, unless they have no love and compassion in them. It is clear that they have very little compassion to say that these people moved for nothing, that their lives turned upside down for nothing, that the many many serious adverse health effects they and their families suffered did not occur. Either no compassion and no fellow feeling, no natural affection, or they truly are very stupid. No scientist, no well-educated person can ever honestly say that there is no chance of ill effects of living on land that seeps highly toxic carcinogenic chemicals. One of the facts that came to light was that out of 22 pregnancies in the neighborhood during the Love Canal crisis, only 4 babies were not both with birth defects. That translates to approximately 80% of the babies born had birth defects. Love Canal, along with thousands of other toxic dump sites poses a real threat and real danger to humans and no matter what company, what government, what illogical person tries to say otherwise, they are only fooling themselves because thanks to the outspokenness of people like Lois Gibbs, there are many more wise people around. People who don't fall for the blatant lies of those who say toxic waste is safe. Most logical people can see that humans will reap devastating effects for ruining the environment. Love Canal is an obvious example of this. Interestingly, there are always the few who will defend the environmental polluters and blatantly state that such toxic waste neighborhoods are safe, but would they themselves move those they love to that neighborhood? I doubt it, unless they have no love and compassion in them. It is clear that they have very little compassion to say that these people moved for nothing, that their lives turned upside down for nothing, that the many many serious adverse health effects they and their families suffered did not occur. Either no compassion and no fellow feeling, no natural affection, or they truly are very stupid. No scientist, no well-educated person can ever honestly say that there is no chance of ill effects of living on land that seeps highly toxic carcinogenic chemicals. One of the facts that came to light was that out of 22 pregnancies in the neighborhood during the Love Canal crisis, only 4 babies were not both with birth defects. That translates to approximately 80% of the babies born had birth defects. Love Canal, along with thousands of other toxic dump sites poses a real threat and real danger to humans and no matter what company, what government, what illogical person tries to say otherwise, they are only fooling themselves because thanks to the outspokenness of people like Lois Gibbs, there are many more wise people around. People who don’t fall for the blatant lies of those who say toxic waste is safe.

]]> By: elphaba http://www.damninteresting.com/the-tragedy-of-the-love-canal/#comment-23300 elphaba Wed, 12 Nov 2008 22:13:01 +0000 http://www.damninteresting.com/?p=668#comment-23300 kinda reminds me of Erin Brockovich. kinda reminds me of Erin Brockovich.

]]> By: cheoy http://www.damninteresting.com/the-tragedy-of-the-love-canal/#comment-16483 cheoy Thu, 26 Jul 2007 21:22:34 +0000 http://www.damninteresting.com/?p=668#comment-16483 <p>We lived in the projects that were close to Love canal during world war two and moved away in 1952. during that time we played and swam in the canal. It was the recreational spot for the kids that lived around the canal. We all knew that at the north end of the canal there were chemical barrels but as long as they stayed there we were OK, not! I quit swimming there when I came to the top of the hill by the canal and the water was turing various shades of color, the best thhing I could have done. </p><p> Friends that lived on the other side of the canal from the projects had black goo filtering into their basements. All of this occurred in the 1950's It is also interesting that we also played in the fields where the new school was built, don't remember the street but it has since been torn down. The interesting point is the school was built over what was described as a low level radioactive dump. You had to be very careful riding your bike to stay on the path or you would sink into black goo that would come up to your knee! I can not understand why anyone would want to go back to that area.</p> We lived in the projects that were close to Love canal during world war two and moved away in 1952. during that time we played and swam in the canal. It was the recreational spot for the kids that lived around the canal. We all knew that at the north end of the canal there were chemical barrels but as long as they stayed there we were OK, not! I quit swimming there when I came to the top of the hill by the canal and the water was turing various shades of color, the best thhing I could have done.

Friends that lived on the other side of the canal from the projects had black goo filtering into their basements.

All of this occurred in the 1950′s

It is also interesting that we also played in the fields where the new school was built, don’t remember the street but it has since been torn down. The interesting point is the school was built over what was described as a low level radioactive dump. You had to be very careful riding your bike to stay on the path or you would sink into black goo that would come up to your knee!

I can not understand why anyone would want to go back to that area.

]]> By: Jeanette http://www.damninteresting.com/the-tragedy-of-the-love-canal/#comment-16110 Jeanette Thu, 05 Jul 2007 17:34:16 +0000 http://www.damninteresting.com/?p=668#comment-16110 <p>In New York State, it is common practice to transfer real property for $1.00 consideration on the deed. Otherwise, how much you paid for your home would be public knowledge. The only transfers that are required to disclose the actual consideration involve those from estates. Also, in NYS, one cannot disclaim their liability. Could be the reason the chemical company was sued despite its liability disclaimer? </p> In New York State, it is common practice to transfer real property for $1.00 consideration on the deed. Otherwise, how much you paid for your home would be public knowledge. The only transfers that are required to disclose the actual consideration involve those from estates. Also, in NYS, one cannot disclaim their liability. Could be the reason the chemical company was sued despite its liability disclaimer?

]]> By: kathlee http://www.damninteresting.com/the-tragedy-of-the-love-canal/#comment-11810 kathlee Mon, 15 Jan 2007 13:11:47 +0000 http://www.damninteresting.com/?p=668#comment-11810 <p>I have renewed interest in my old homesite, the Love Canal as well as a student of the 99th St. School in the 50's. I have a relatively rare cancer, RCC. What makes it even more interesting is the occurance of this "rare" cancer was found to be higher in this area then the norm. Really makes one wonder what the future holds as the children of the Love Canal age.</p> I have renewed interest in my old homesite, the Love Canal as well as a student of the 99th St. School in the 50′s. I have a relatively rare cancer, RCC. What makes it even more interesting is the occurance of this “rare” cancer was found to be higher in this area then the norm. Really makes one wonder what the future holds as the children of the Love Canal age.

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