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		<title>By: DeadlyGrim</title>
		<link>http://www.damninteresting.com/the-vela-incident/#comment-26595</link>
		<dc:creator>DeadlyGrim</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 29 Jul 2011 23:00:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>What most strikes me about the excerpt from Luis Alvarez&#039;s response to criticism, is that he led with the radioactive sheep first. I guess it&#039;s only natural - radioactive sheep _are_ ridiculous, after all, and bringing them up first makes it that much easier to dismiss the rest of the evidence because you&#039;ve already put your reader in the proper frame of mind.

This, in and of itself, doesn&#039;t prove anything of course. Persuasive writing is used by the right and the wrong. However, I think it is a rather cheap tactic.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>What most strikes me about the excerpt from Luis Alvarez&#8217;s response to criticism, is that he led with the radioactive sheep first. I guess it&#8217;s only natural &#8211; radioactive sheep _are_ ridiculous, after all, and bringing them up first makes it that much easier to dismiss the rest of the evidence because you&#8217;ve already put your reader in the proper frame of mind.</p>
<p>This, in and of itself, doesn&#8217;t prove anything of course. Persuasive writing is used by the right and the wrong. However, I think it is a rather cheap tactic.</p>
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		<title>By: Simon Gunson</title>
		<link>http://www.damninteresting.com/the-vela-incident/#comment-19907</link>
		<dc:creator>Simon Gunson</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 10 Feb 2008 12:17:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>A friend of mine was a former South African naval inteligence man in the 1980s. He talked to me over dinner once about this test blast.  He confirmed  that the bomb was South African, but that USA was so outraged at the test blast that diplomats discreetly warned South Africa that CIA would stop supporting the Fretalin anti communists in Angola, unless South Africa withdrew from Angola and abandoned their nuclear bomb project. USA twisted South Africa&#039;s arm because the Soviets were threatening to get involved. That was the inside story I got.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>A friend of mine was a former South African naval inteligence man in the 1980s. He talked to me over dinner once about this test blast.  He confirmed  that the bomb was South African, but that USA was so outraged at the test blast that diplomats discreetly warned South Africa that CIA would stop supporting the Fretalin anti communists in Angola, unless South Africa withdrew from Angola and abandoned their nuclear bomb project. USA twisted South Africa&#8217;s arm because the Soviets were threatening to get involved. That was the inside story I got.</p>
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		<title>By: HiEv</title>
		<link>http://www.damninteresting.com/the-vela-incident/#comment-18522</link>
		<dc:creator>HiEv</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 19 Nov 2007 13:49:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[quote]Jeffrey93 said: &quot;Help me understand this.  How is it that people of a certain belief are &quot;on average&quot; more intelligent than people with different beliefs.

The fact you said &#039;ethnic jews&#039;, which describes people with Jewish parents that do not actively practice Judaism also has me somewhat baffled.&quot;[/quote]
Your confusion stems from a fundamental misunderstanding of the term &quot;ethnic Jews&quot;.  An &quot;ethnic Jew&quot; refers to a person who has Jewish ancestry.  The term is meant to differentiate from &quot;religious Jews&quot;, which are people of the Jewish religion.  Whether you&#039;re an &quot;ethnic Jew&quot; depends on whether your biological parents are of Jewish ancestry and won&#039;t change.  Whether you&#039;re a &quot;religious Jew&quot; depends on your current religious views and therefore can change.  It is possible to be either one of those things, or both, or neither.

Donlaudanny was speaking about people of Jewish ancestry, not people who follow the Jewish religion.

P.S. Your ending insult to him is quite ironic considering the ignorance you displayed in that post.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[quote]Jeffrey93 said: &#8220;Help me understand this.  How is it that people of a certain belief are &#8220;on average&#8221; more intelligent than people with different beliefs.</p>
<p>The fact you said &#8216;ethnic jews&#8217;, which describes people with Jewish parents that do not actively practice Judaism also has me somewhat baffled.&#8221;[/quote]<br />
Your confusion stems from a fundamental misunderstanding of the term &#8220;ethnic Jews&#8221;.  An &#8220;ethnic Jew&#8221; refers to a person who has Jewish ancestry.  The term is meant to differentiate from &#8220;religious Jews&#8221;, which are people of the Jewish religion.  Whether you&#8217;re an &#8220;ethnic Jew&#8221; depends on whether your biological parents are of Jewish ancestry and won&#8217;t change.  Whether you&#8217;re a &#8220;religious Jew&#8221; depends on your current religious views and therefore can change.  It is possible to be either one of those things, or both, or neither.</p>
<p>Donlaudanny was speaking about people of Jewish ancestry, not people who follow the Jewish religion.</p>
<p>P.S. Your ending insult to him is quite ironic considering the ignorance you displayed in that post.</p>
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		<title>By: Jeffrey93</title>
		<link>http://www.damninteresting.com/the-vela-incident/#comment-18504</link>
		<dc:creator>Jeffrey93</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 19 Nov 2007 05:26:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[quote]donlaudanny said: &quot;I am not Jewish.

I can&#039;t say anything about art or style since those are subjective, but Ethnic Jews are on average more intelligent. To deny this claim is like denying the claim that Kalenjin runners are on average faster. The disproportionate number of Nobel prizes is evidence for the former and the even greater disproportionate number of long distance running records for the later.

http://www.futurepundit.com/archives/002812.html

Not all humans are created equal. Some individual are larger, smarter, faster, etc. The same trends can be applied for races. Height and skin color are the most obvious. Intelligence has been heavily sexually selected for throughout human evolution, and is it such a leap to logic to state the selection pressure for intelligence might have been different depending on different geographical and cultural conditions?
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Help me understand this.  How is it that people of a certain belief are &quot;on average&quot; more intelligent than people with different beliefs.
The fact you said &#039;ethnic jews&#039;, which describes people with Jewish parents that do not actively practice Judaism also has me somewhat baffled.
Since being Jewish is a religious belief choice....emphasis on choice, I&#039;m not sure how you can say that &quot;on average&quot; Jews are more intelligent.
If I convert to Judaism tomorrow will I suddenly become smarter?

The shred of evidence you provided to support your &#039;Jews are more intelligent&#039; theory is this...
[quote]donlaudanny said: &quot;I am not Jewish.&quot;[/quote]
That one statement seems to help prove that Jews are more intelligent, more intelligent than some anyway.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[quote]donlaudanny said: &#8220;I am not Jewish.</p>
<p>I can&#8217;t say anything about art or style since those are subjective, but Ethnic Jews are on average more intelligent. To deny this claim is like denying the claim that Kalenjin runners are on average faster. The disproportionate number of Nobel prizes is evidence for the former and the even greater disproportionate number of long distance running records for the later.</p>
<p><a href="http://www.futurepundit.com/archives/002812.html" rel="nofollow">http://www.futurepundit.com/archives/002812.html</a></p>
<p>Not all humans are created equal. Some individual are larger, smarter, faster, etc. The same trends can be applied for races. Height and skin color are the most obvious. Intelligence has been heavily sexually selected for throughout human evolution, and is it such a leap to logic to state the selection pressure for intelligence might have been different depending on different geographical and cultural conditions?<br />
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Help me understand this.  How is it that people of a certain belief are &#8220;on average&#8221; more intelligent than people with different beliefs.<br />
The fact you said &#8216;ethnic jews&#8217;, which describes people with Jewish parents that do not actively practice Judaism also has me somewhat baffled.<br />
Since being Jewish is a religious belief choice&#8230;.emphasis on choice, I&#8217;m not sure how you can say that &#8220;on average&#8221; Jews are more intelligent.<br />
If I convert to Judaism tomorrow will I suddenly become smarter?</p>
<p>The shred of evidence you provided to support your &#8216;Jews are more intelligent&#8217; theory is this&#8230;<br />
[quote]donlaudanny said: &#8220;I am not Jewish.&#8221;[/quote]<br />
That one statement seems to help prove that Jews are more intelligent, more intelligent than some anyway.</p>
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		<title>By: arbitraryuser</title>
		<link>http://www.damninteresting.com/the-vela-incident/#comment-18426</link>
		<dc:creator>arbitraryuser</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 16 Nov 2007 15:02:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>If it was launched from South Africa it was probably launched from here:

http://maps.google.com/?ie=UTF8&amp;ll=-34.60219,20.303051&amp;spn=0.003117,0.007167&amp;t=k&amp;z=18&amp;om=1</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>If it was launched from South Africa it was probably launched from here:</p>
<p><a href="http://maps.google.com/?ie=UTF8&#038;ll=-34.60219,20.303051&#038;spn=0.003117,0.007167&#038;t=k&#038;z=18&#038;om=1" rel="nofollow">http://maps.google.com/?ie=UTF8&#038;ll=-34.60219,20.303051&#038;spn=0.003117,0.007167&#038;t=k&#038;z=18&#038;om=1</a></p>
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		<title>By: iondot</title>
		<link>http://www.damninteresting.com/the-vela-incident/#comment-18381</link>
		<dc:creator>iondot</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 14 Nov 2007 19:07:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Interesting enough that I wrote a musical piece about the Vela Incident.
http://www.iondot.com</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Interesting enough that I wrote a musical piece about the Vela Incident.<br />
<a href="http://www.iondot.com" rel="nofollow">http://www.iondot.com</a></p>
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		<title>By: Richard Solensky</title>
		<link>http://www.damninteresting.com/the-vela-incident/#comment-18257</link>
		<dc:creator>Richard Solensky</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 08 Nov 2007 20:22:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Anyway....

It&#039;s worth noting that the Vela satellites discovered what turned out to be Gamma Ray Bursters - http://science.nasa.gov/newhome/headlines/ast19sep97_2.htm. The satellites had picked up several bursts of gamma rays coming from outer space. Stumped, the DoD and NASA decided to throw open the curtain of secrecy over the satellites and share the data with the astronomical community. It was quickly realized that this was an entirely new type of extragalactic object.

This wasn&#039;t the only time the military shared its work with astronomers. When the astronomical community was trying to figure out how to account for atmospheric distortions in their latest telescopes, the DoD freely handed over their information on adaptive optics rather than see millions of dollars of taxpayer money be spent on something they had already perfected.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Anyway&#8230;.</p>
<p>It&#8217;s worth noting that the Vela satellites discovered what turned out to be Gamma Ray Bursters &#8211; <a href="http://science.nasa.gov/newhome/headlines/ast19sep97_2.htm" rel="nofollow">http://science.nasa.gov/newhome/headlines/ast19sep97_2.htm</a>. The satellites had picked up several bursts of gamma rays coming from outer space. Stumped, the DoD and NASA decided to throw open the curtain of secrecy over the satellites and share the data with the astronomical community. It was quickly realized that this was an entirely new type of extragalactic object.</p>
<p>This wasn&#8217;t the only time the military shared its work with astronomers. When the astronomical community was trying to figure out how to account for atmospheric distortions in their latest telescopes, the DoD freely handed over their information on adaptive optics rather than see millions of dollars of taxpayer money be spent on something they had already perfected.</p>
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		<title>By: DylanJacobs</title>
		<link>http://www.damninteresting.com/the-vela-incident/#comment-18184</link>
		<dc:creator>DylanJacobs</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 05 Nov 2007 19:36:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Am I the only one who thinks this is extremely similar to the TV show LOST? Remote volcanic island with research facility dating back to the 70&#039;s, a station in Antarctica and satellite pick up and an anomaly and extremely bright flashes of light?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Am I the only one who thinks this is extremely similar to the TV show LOST? Remote volcanic island with research facility dating back to the 70&#8242;s, a station in Antarctica and satellite pick up and an anomaly and extremely bright flashes of light?</p>
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		<title>By: Q</title>
		<link>http://www.damninteresting.com/the-vela-incident/#comment-17921</link>
		<dc:creator>Q</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 23 Oct 2007 16:30:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[quote]rev.felix said: &quot;I wonder if you can roast marshmallows over a flame war…&quot;[/quote]

You can, but they aren&#039;t kosher...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[quote]rev.felix said: &#8220;I wonder if you can roast marshmallows over a flame war…&#8221;[/quote]</p>
<p>You can, but they aren&#8217;t kosher&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: supercalafragalistic</title>
		<link>http://www.damninteresting.com/the-vela-incident/#comment-17848</link>
		<dc:creator>supercalafragalistic</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 21 Oct 2007 17:09:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[quote]sulkykid said: &quot;I am beginning to regard television as the freakshow of our time. I doubt that there really are any more birth defects, etc. today, but there is probably a much higher survival rate and those afflicted are not &quot;hidden away&quot; like they used to be. One might want to make the case that there are more birth defects these days due to nuclear whatever, oddball chemicals, new drugs, etc., but I cannot see a good way to measure that for comparison.&quot;[/quote]

Yeah, I agree. Until there is science or hard stats behind something like that it is hard to know anything for sure, but it does pose a good question to ponder.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[quote]sulkykid said: &#8220;I am beginning to regard television as the freakshow of our time. I doubt that there really are any more birth defects, etc. today, but there is probably a much higher survival rate and those afflicted are not &#8220;hidden away&#8221; like they used to be. One might want to make the case that there are more birth defects these days due to nuclear whatever, oddball chemicals, new drugs, etc., but I cannot see a good way to measure that for comparison.&#8221;[/quote]</p>
<p>Yeah, I agree. Until there is science or hard stats behind something like that it is hard to know anything for sure, but it does pose a good question to ponder.</p>
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