Comments on: Evolving Universes https://www.damninteresting.com/evolving-universes/ Fascinating true stories from science, history, and psychology since 2005 Tue, 17 Jan 2017 00:08:41 +0000 hourly 1 https://wordpress.org/?v=6.5.2 By: BrianMcKinnon https://www.damninteresting.com/evolving-universes/#comment-22860 Wed, 24 Sep 2008 12:56:56 +0000 https://www.damninteresting.com/?p=645#comment-22860 Let me start this post off by stating I am a 20 year old, with no degree (and working on a degree in an completely unrelated field). Being so young limits my possible experience, and all I know is what I’ve read. No formal learning in any fields (unless you account for my family forcing christian church on me the first 14 years of my life).

First, could a creationist PLEASE tell me why they are correct? It must just go over my head or something.. I was under the impression most religions were very similar, and were originally invented because early humans were afraid of the remorselessness of the night. Night was when most predators hunted and such.

That was only one thing I’d read though. Feel free to spout some facts at me.

As of now evolution is winning the fight, in my opinion. Lifeforms everywhere adapt to their environments. This is not debatable. If the argument is that DNA has a set number of chromosomes for each species, then could evolution lead to a gradual change in chromosomes as needed? If not, what about mutation (which, in my opinion, could be a form of random evolution)?

Second, talking about the universe as a 3 dimensional hyper-sphere is really confusing to me. It seems like you are blowing off the possibility of something being outside it, because our minds can’t grasp infinite.

My question before reading these comments, was, “How does the universe go on forever?” because, I feel like something would STILL be outside of it. My alternate question was “How does the universe end?” because, again, something would be outside it.

It seems like the easiest thing for my mind to settle on is the 3D hypersphere theory; and that is only because I’m ruling out the possibility of something being outside it, due to the inability of my brain to comprehend infinite.

Third, so it is no longer accepted that black holes are singularities? Would it not be more rational to say that there are actually masses at the center larger than a singularity, and we cant see them since the gravity doesn’t let light escape? Forgive me if this is an old argument and I am beating a dead horse, just curious.

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By: JohnSimpson https://www.damninteresting.com/evolving-universes/#comment-21693 Wed, 04 Jun 2008 16:25:34 +0000 https://www.damninteresting.com/?p=645#comment-21693 In “The Trouble with Physics” Smolin does make a claim that the cosmological evolution theory does indeed make a prediction which will soon become testable. I’ll try to find the quote.

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By: f1speed https://www.damninteresting.com/evolving-universes/#comment-19046 Thu, 20 Dec 2007 09:31:07 +0000 https://www.damninteresting.com/?p=645#comment-19046 [quote]dennis said: “Evolution never happened. The first DNA never came together by random accident.

The Bible is True.

Why do we have millions of articles about Evolution, but no articles about other Science? Why the endless fascination for the Evolution Lie? Most people hate the Bible, so they preach “ANYTHING ELSE”, no matter how impossible, because they want to attack the Bible.”[/quote]

I don’t hate the bible, but I have no reason to believe in the Bible. Just like I take this theory of evolving universes at face value and don’t place any considerable amount of faith into it due to the ludicrous assumptions it makes, I also feel the same way towards religion. If you look at it from an objective point of view (as much as is possible, of course), Creation is just another cosmology that is not far from all of the other speculative theories on how the Universe was created.

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By: Sacred Junk https://www.damninteresting.com/evolving-universes/#comment-19045 Thu, 20 Dec 2007 09:29:41 +0000 https://www.damninteresting.com/?p=645#comment-19045 I don’t really understand this religion v science debate

isn’t it said in the Bible that first there was nothing and then God created the Universe
that seems to me like the big bang

and then later He created night and day
that seems like the sun and the planets

and then at the end, man was created
even evolution suggests that we have inhabited this earth only since (relatively speaking) recent times

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By: mr. answers https://www.damninteresting.com/evolving-universes/#comment-17630 Fri, 12 Oct 2007 00:30:13 +0000 https://www.damninteresting.com/?p=645#comment-17630 This entire concept of a point of singularity tremendously intrigues me. I have a question, however. According to a video about the Big Bang I saw earlier, a well-noted scientist with Lou Gherig’s disease (I forgot his name), was blessed or given some type of reward by the Pope with the exception that he accepted that the Bing Bang was the point of singularity. My question is, why must the church insist that there is in fact a point of singularity. Maybe modern day science would not be so inhibited if religion were to explore the possibility of the notion of the possibility of other universes before the point of singularity. I mean, if there is an infinitely powerful God, then therefore shouldn’t there also be an infinitely powerful universe? Does anybody have any answers for me?

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By: dennis https://www.damninteresting.com/evolving-universes/#comment-16509 Sun, 29 Jul 2007 03:17:38 +0000 https://www.damninteresting.com/?p=645#comment-16509 Evolution never happened. The first DNA never came together by random accident.

The Bible is True.

Why do we have millions of articles about Evolution, but no articles about other Science? Why the endless fascination for the Evolution Lie? Most people hate the Bible, so they preach “ANYTHING ELSE”, no matter how impossible, because they want to attack the Bible.

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By: shesdeluvley https://www.damninteresting.com/evolving-universes/#comment-9142 Thu, 05 Oct 2006 21:39:47 +0000 https://www.damninteresting.com/?p=645#comment-9142 I love this topic but really…can we forego the mud slinging comments……I WANT TO LEARN ABOUT STUFF!!

Okay….somebody tell me if they know of anyone who has been out there in space during the “Big Bang” to document anything? I mean, how can you say positively something happened when you don’t have eye witnesses. Sure, you can make conclusions based on certain findings, but still, so much is left to theory isn’t it?
Maybe we aren’t supposed to know all these mysteries! Look at what happened to the people of Babbel! Having said that, I find myself itching to know about it all and when somebody tells me something that I can grasp, I am in absolute awe of this wonderful creation! So please, tell me stuff!

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By: plowshare https://www.damninteresting.com/evolving-universes/#comment-8669 Wed, 13 Sep 2006 17:37:21 +0000 https://www.damninteresting.com/?p=645#comment-8669

orc_jr said: “perhaps i don’t understand theoretical hyperdimensional objects as well as i could, but even presuming this is correct i still don’t see that it negates the remaining 3-dimensional space both within and without this sphere we’re imagining. say the universe is a giant mobius strip. does that mean that there’s no space outside of that object? i think not.”

Krinberry’s use of the word “surface” may have confused you. The surface of an ordinary sphere is a 2-dimensional object in 3-dimensional space. He was talking about a 3-dimensional “hypersphere” which need not be the “hypersurface” of anything, in which case all directions are part of the 3-d hypersphere itself.
One hypothesis–not a very plausible one, but at least it’s consistent–is that our universe is a 3-d hypersphere and there is nothing, literally nothing, that is not part of it.
For most people it is easier to conceive of a 3-d hypersphere as being part of a bigger 4-d universe that extends infinitely far in all directions, but that need not be the case.
It’s not an easy distinction to grasp. It took me years before something finally clicked and I understood.

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By: orc_jr https://www.damninteresting.com/evolving-universes/#comment-8663 Wed, 13 Sep 2006 16:11:51 +0000 https://www.damninteresting.com/?p=645#comment-8663 Krinberry said: “Only if you look at it as a 3 dimensional object; if you move the sperical nature into more dimensions, you can end up with an object in which all directions are on the surface of the hyperdimensional ‘sphere’ and as such, will eventually wrap around to meet the other ‘side’ of itself.


Math is fun. :)”

perhaps i don’t understand theoretical hyperdimensional objects as well as i could, but even presuming this is correct i still don’t see that it negates the remaining 3-dimensional space both within and without this sphere we’re imagining. say the universe is a giant mobius strip. does that mean that there’s no space outside of that object? i think not.

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By: Krinberry https://www.damninteresting.com/evolving-universes/#comment-8645 Tue, 12 Sep 2006 17:50:10 +0000 https://www.damninteresting.com/?p=645#comment-8645 orc_jr said: “say this is correct, and our universe as we know it lies on the surface of a sphere. whether we can reach it or not, that would imply further space both within and without the sphere.”

Only if you look at it as a 3 dimensional object; if you move the sperical nature into more dimensions, you can end up with an object in which all directions are on the surface of the hyperdimensional ‘sphere’ and as such, will eventually wrap around to meet the other ‘side’ of itself.

Math is fun. :)

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