Dark Lord Ph8 said: “It might just be my upbrining as half hispanic/half Euro-mut in a predomintly white suburbs of the Northern US, but the idea of indetured servitude doesn’t seem like such a bad deal. For example, a person beeing prosicuted who is unable to pay for the ride to the new world, barters they’re way onto a ship pledging to work for a certain amount of time to pay for the trip. When they get to the new world, they already have food clothing and lodging for the first couple of years until they work off they’re “debt”. The only real problem I see is when that person is released from the contract, they don’t have much to build off of money wise. However, most likely, they have been running errends and the sort to which the towns people will have met them and are able to employ them. Maybe I’m wrong. Please feel free to correct my point of view on this matter.

The Dark Lord Himself,
Darl Lord Ph8″

Indentured servants often lived worst than slaves because their sponsors knew they’ll be gone after 7 years so wanted to get the most out of their labors at the least cost. It was common back then for teens to become indentured apprentices to learn a trade from a local craftsman. Many were ill-treated so ran away after a few years to strike out on their own. Benjamin Franklin did that after getting fed up with the printer he worked for. The early plantation owners had a constant problem with keeping field hands. The indentured workers who were brought over from Europe soon fled to the towns and the natives didn’t like the work for low pay. Few folks owned slaves then with most as house servants or trained to be skilled craftsmen so they lived comfortable lives. Nobody considered using Africans as slave labor in the fields until a slave ship bound for a Craribbean island got blown off course in a storm and washed ashore on a southern coast. The Africans were housed in a nearby town and properly looked after while they waited for the ship’s owner to retrieve the cargo. He never did and the locals didn’t know what to do with them, so auctioned off the lot to recoup the expense of their room and board. The plantation owners who bought them found that they were good workers plus didn’t try to run away so others began importing African slaves for field labor.

Slaves were a considerable investment so most slave owners only had a handful or two at most, usually a couple with their children. Quite often they lived just as well or bad as their owners depending on how their crops turned out. They fared better after the Civil War because most had learned to read, write and cipher along with learning other skills required to run a farm.

I could be tempted to go there myself and stay for six months.

anakin876 said: “Actually – the nearby cities of Piracicaba and Santa Barbara D’Oeste share a similar accent with Americana. When I was there learning Portuguese a woman in Piracicaba told me after one month that I no longer had an american accent. I still did have an accent – I just had the same one as her. The influence of the Confederados still lingers on.”

I am an American who lived in Americana for 6 months and while I was their, I was invited to teach English and be a guest speaker at a couple of English schools. Wierd how some of those peoples grand parents had been fluent in English and now they are all trying to learn it again. FYI, being able to speak English in Brazil is like a status symbol. I talked to hundreds of Brazilians while I was their and I never met anybody that told me that they were a descendent of the “Americanos,” although I heard about the Americanos alot. It’s one of the richest cities in Brazil and the poeple their are awesome.
The people from Americana sound like normal brazilians but the people from Piracicaba talk weird. The first time I heard someone from Piracicaba speak I thought to myself “I’m pretty sure that guy is Brazilian, but he sure did sound like an American speaking Portuguese with a bad accent and a southern drawl.” Gees, what I wouldn’t do for some Calda de Cana and Coracao de Frango right now (translation – Sugar Cane juice and Chicken hearts). P.S. If you haven’t been to Brazil, put it on your to do list. That place is awesome!!

I am an American who lived in Americana for 6 months and while I was their, I was invited to teach English and be a guest speaker at a couple of English schools. Wierd how some of those peoples grand parents had been fluent in English and now they are all trying to learn it again. FYI, being able to speak English in Brazil is like a status symbol. I talked to hundreds of Brazilians while I was their and I never met anybody that told me that they were a descendent of the “Americanos,” although I heard about the Americanos alot. It’s one of the richest cities in Brazil and the poeple their are awesome.

The people from Americana sound like normal brazilians but the people from Piracicaba talk weird. The first time I heard someone from Piracicaba speak I thought to myself “I’m pretty sure that guy is Brazilian, but he sure did sound like an American speaking Portuguese with a bad accent and a southern drawl.” Gees, what I wouldn’t do for some Calda de Cana and Coracao de Frango right now (translation – Sugar Cane juice and Chicken hearts). P.S. If you haven’t been to Brazil, put it on your to do list. That place is awesome!!

I think it’s doubtful that China and Cuba are non-capitalist, they just aren’t US style capitalists.

The businessman estimate that there are up to 100,000 slaves in the USA right now, most of them women, nearly all of those forced to work as prostitutes or as domestic servants and concubines and most of them aware that they will be treated as illegal immigrants if they go to the police. I would guess that there are at least several hundred in Australia in the same position.

As for the import of Americans such things were common in South America in the 19th century and 110 years ago radical Australian socialists founded a “New Australia” colony in Paraguay. More recently I hear of Amish people from the USA starting anew in Paraguay.

Servitude whether it be by decree (slaves) or ipso facto (current capitalistic proletariate) is wrong (imho). Way wrong. Any methodology that creates a class based society where one class feeds off of the other, thereby not allowing the ‘slave’ party to be able to become normal is unjust. ………..Yes, I realize I have just called 98% of the current world unjust – so shoot me……………..

Then again…. “It is a basic delision that men may be governed and yet be free.” Mencken”

Are you a communist?

I suppose the 2% of the world that is not unjust (in your Marxist mind) would be Cuba and China.

Eviscerate the proletariat!

Yes! THIS is the new slavery. The “Multinational style” slave industry that resulted from globalization

-The Dark Lord Himself