Social Drinking

very interesting…

This might be the funniest thing I’ve read here

“Instead of alcohol taking the edge off of stress, it turns out that stress will instead diminish the effects of alcohol.”

In other words a buzz-kill…

Just think, science has just confirmed a common phenomon amongst dunken, frat idiots everywhere.

Well then, I guess that calls for another drink! This experiment has been done going as far back as the 60’s and again with the same results. From what I can remember these experiments were always done using students in colleges or universities. Not so sure what that says about our education system if anything?

“A great deal of alcohol’s effect is actually the placebo effect.”

I would tend to agree with this; however, the experiment only shows that the placebo effect can simulate inebriation. It does nothing to say that the placebo effect is a major cause of inebriated behavior in people who have actually been drinking.

Yeah, I’d be very suprised to find out that I vomited up a kebab on saturday night and then danced to David Bowie for 2 hours because I thought I should.

I’d like to know if this works in reverse. Give someone an alcoholic drink, tell them it’s not, and see if they maintain “sobriety” for longer. Of course, you’d need a large sample because alcohol affects people at different rates.

On a side-note: Straight-edge is the life for me. I’m 28 and never had an alcoholic drink… never been drunk. Awesome.

Let’s just show this to my ex then…

[ I'd like to know if this works in reverse. Give someone an alcoholic drink, tell them it's not, and see if they maintain "sobriety" for longer. ]

I was thinking the exact thing Furnace. Would it not be considered unethical though? I guess it would be okay to do that since drug companies give their pharmaceuticals to human guinea pigs. I would really like to perform/read about that experiment.

why not give grass to a cow and see if it gets sober or not?

that would be cool

I’d think as long as people were notified in advance there wouldn’t be any sort of ethical issues. Just make sure to take their keys first.

clayton said:” Would [giving alcohol to someone unaware of what they were drinking] not be considered unethical though?”

If you told the subjects they’d be undergoing several tests that involved alcohol consumption, it’d be fine. I think this test would be quite easy. Give Person A and B alcoholic drinks. In private, tell each one, “Neither drink contains any alcohol. We’re testing to see if the IDEA of drinking alcohol contributes to intoxication and you’re the control.” Then, you have two people that believe they’re drinking non-alcoholic drinks when they really are.

Furnace said: “On a side-note: Straight-edge is the life for me. I’m 28 and never had an alcoholic drink… never been drunk. Awesome.”

I don’t understand the “Awesome” at the end of your statement. Not that I have a problem with people choosing not to drink alcohol or anything but in my head it sounds closer to “I’ve never been to Phoenix. Awesome.” than to “I’ve never been shot in the head. Awesome.”

I’m 36 and have had a several beers, two margaritas and a few drams of Scotch whisky in the past week or so. I received a bottle of Highland Park 18 year old for my birthday last week. Awesome.

How do hangovers play into this scenario?

tel703 said: “How do hangovers play into this scenario?”

Well.. let’s see, maybe this article gives those of us who don’t want hangovers an excuse to “act” drunk, without having to drink. Yeah!

hmmm…

Somehow I’m left feeling dissatisfied. But I did manage to keep my stomach contents.

skwigul said: “I don’t understand the “Awesome” at the end of your statement. “

That comment is a little jab at society. Since “drink responsibly” is an oxymoron for most twenty-somethings, it’s almost necessary to let people know, “I have no intention of getting drunk and I’m totally cool with that. I don’t need a foreign substance in my body to make my social life worth while.” Whenever I tell people I don’t drink, the most common response is a question asking if I don’t because there’s something wrong with me medically. I just don’t want to bring myself to any level of alcohol influence or intoxication. Ask anyone to “act drunk” and I guarantee their performance will be negative.

I know that not wanting to drink is not a bad thing I just couldn’t really imagine choosing to never drink and never get drunk. Like most drinkers I’ve had bad drunk experiences (waking up aged 17 in someone elses bed having pissed myself a definite one of these) but in my case these are far outweighed by the good. Running around the streets of Newcastle last year in my dressing gown at 6am making snow angels and snowfighting with my mates is something I wouldn’t have done sober (would’ve seemed stupid) but is one of my fondest memories. I accept there will be bad nights but they have been few and far and besides I only drink socially and to excess.

Furnace said: “I’d like to know if this works in reverse. Give someone an alcoholic drink, tell them it’s not, and see if they maintain “sobriety” for longer.”

Michael Jackson tried this with “Jesus Juice” in a small-scale, social anarchy experiment. The results were messy.

Completely Unrelated: I am a better dancer when I’m drunk. Not “I think I am…”, which would make more sense, but actually better at dancing. My sober girlfriend confirmed this.

I’d say some of the more goofy things you do while you’re drunk is highly influenced by the “social” part of drinking, but the phsyical buzz you get from the alcohol itself does impair your judgement.

Basically, alcohol lowers the social barriers we have, so we are more able to do things or say things that we might otherwise be too nervous to do while we’re sober.

“I have a drinking problem, two hands and only one mouth.” – (original source unknown)

[ I'd like to know if this works in reverse. Give someone an alcoholic drink, tell them it's not, and see if they maintain "sobriety" for longer. ]

Of course this is completely anecdotal, but the first time I got drunk, I had no idea I was drinking. I was at a party and did not plan to drink as 1) I was underage (yes, really) and 2) more to the point, I was going to be driving myself home. Anyway, the hostess was kind enough to have some lemonade on hand. I drank quite a bit of it—it seemed to make me horribly thirsty—and did not notice anything out of the ordinary, until, that is, I sat down on her bed—and missed. At that point, everyone there burst out laughing, because they all knew what I did not: the lemonade had been spiked with vodka.

I think that more is needed than just one study.

Ya, I was at a New Year’s party one year and I had gotten horribley drunk off ninety-nine bananas. When it came close to the time to leave my friend and I decided that we should eat something to try to sober up. The host of the party graciously offerred us a plate of fruit which we ate, it was very good, however even though I was trying to get sober I seemed to be getting more and more drunk. We found out later that we were eating the fruit that they had used to make jungle juice. So we were feeling the effects of alcohol despite thinking we were sobering up.
I agree that just the opposite would be the more interesting study. A room full of people that think that they aren’t drinking when the really are. If nothing else, it would just be damn funny to watch.

Alcohol isnt gonna make you do anything you can’t imagine. It just lets you do more things you imagine before you think of why not to. That isnt neccessarily a bad thing unless you have lots of bad ideas heh.

Strait-edge is probably weird to people because you are essentially saying “no I dont want to try it.” For instance someone not ever trying gum in their life. Really gum isnt really benificial or even too great for you, but lots of people do it and there are lots of options for each person. So if someone came along denying themselves gum ever, that’s their choice, but they shouldn’t be surprised when someone thinks they are weird. History has shown people are perfectly capable of handling themselves a little drunk, and even being able to drink just cause they like the taste of some of the drinks. I dont see the link to strait-edge and awesomeness.

Kao_Valin said: “I dont see the link to strait-edge and awesomeness.”

This makes sense. If stress reduced the effects of alcohol it is no wonder that some people we continuously “drown” their sorrows in booze. They just think they’re washing them away.

The placebo effect also makes sense to me. I generally only drink decaf coffee. It is the “idea” of coffee that gives me the boost I need in the morning no matter if it is decaf or not.

It sure is interesting and it’s also good to know. I used to be paranoiac about alcohol, I used to think that one only needs a glass of wine to lead him or her to alcoholism. I had some alcohol issues in my family, my mother got addiction treatment because of alcohol and I learned to be cautions about this aspect in my life.

The people drinking the tonic and lime must be new to drinking if they really couldn’t tell the difference between drinking carbonated water w/ alcohol and drinking just carbonated water. This would explain them acting like they were really drunk when they really were not. I often notice that amatuer drinkers often overexagerate how drunk they are and I mean often. I really don’t beleive that experienced drinkers, who aren’t drama queens, would pretend to act drunk if they aren’t. They would just drink more until they felt drunk. I also belive that most people who are drunk act out not because they think they have a valid excuse but because they lose some control over their actions. They should still be held accountable for all of their actions but I think that most people often times regret their drunken decisions. Most of the time being drunk is no excuse for their actions and when in their sober mind they would completely agree and understand this. If I understand ahead of time that the “I was so trashed when I did that” excuse would not hold enough weight for my actions then why would I think so when I was drunk or even when I sobered up enough to offer that excuse? I think that the affects of alcohol are very powerful and shouldn’t be underestimated. I think that beginners sometimes want to act the way they feel they should act but not the seasoned veteran. I’ve seen too much evidence personally to the contrary.

Bloody New Zealanders aye. It’s not the drinking it’s how we’re drinking.

i have a question. Would the placebo effect which tricked students into thinking they were drunk effect someone who has never been intoxicated b4?